How to prevent the 3rd valve slide stopper from damaging the horn

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  1. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

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    I am sure you can find a small Teflon o-ring / washer to place there if you check around. If the horn is silver rubber will discolor and wear through the silver.
     
  2. hhsTrumpet

    hhsTrumpet Piano User

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    isn't o-ring rubber?
     
  3. gzent

    gzent Fortissimo User

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    What I used to do on a horn with this issue was to take an old felt from the top valve cap.

    I would slowly stretch the size of the hole in the felt until it fit over the slide and then
    position it right up next to the brass stopper ring. So the felt absorbed the shock - no
    metal on metal.

    Greg
     
  4. tobylou8

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    The "REAL" solution is to get rid of the offending horn and get a Getzen (old school) with those oh so pretty plastic stops. They even allow you to choose how far out the slide will go with 3 position choices! That's ingenuity! I do "feel your pain" though. My Super Artist has the same issue. I just had to get used to not slinging it out there like I can on my Eternas.
     
  5. J. Jericho

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    I would use an o-ring and not worry about it being rubber. Just go to the plumbing department at your local hardware store, get an appropriate diameter/thickness, and slip it ovet the rim of the slide. Or, if your wallet can stand it, an elegant solution would be to have a trigger installed; contact Rich Ita BIW, Inc. if you're interested. Players usually either love them or hate them, so you'll have to decide which category suits you. As for a water key, an Amado will disrupt the tubing the least. Opinions vary about whether even a traditional lever-type water key spout affects the horn enough to matter. Players usually either love them or hate them, so you'll have to decide which category suits you (Where have I read this before?...).
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  6. codyb226

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    Yes, Dave just wanted to look smart for a minute. His minute is up.
     
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  7. Bob Grier

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    NO an O-ring is not rubber. I have them on my silver horns and it's not a problem. A rubber band on the other hand reacts with the silver and leave black places that won't polish out.

    I have water keys put on all my third valve slides. Of cours eI use Amado keys. The notes played with 2 & 3 and 1 & 3 are very clear, centered and in tune. Except low D of course.
     
  8. Bob Grier

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    The original Silver flair of the 60s had a water key on the third slide. I use to own one. Boy I wish I still had that horn!
     
  9. J. Jericho

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    Right you are - I believe they are neoprene.
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    Selmer Bundy tenor trombone
    shofar
    Gemeinhardt C flute
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  10. Ed Lee

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    Again must I tell you to keep rubber away from silverplate, and like not even in your case binding together your pencils. A simple string (shoe string) around your valve casing to the third valve slide ring keeps the slide from popping off and dinging your bell rim. I've seen some women use ribbons to do this and such works also. Like how damage can be much worse if the slide lands on the floor.
     

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