How we breathe

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Mark_Kindy, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. Satchmo Brecker

    Satchmo Brecker Piano User

    Jul 19, 2010
    I remember seeing a Maynard video where someone asked him what his "trick" was to good tone and breathing. He said to bend the knees. He also said he told this to Miles too. I remember thinking, and I'll bet other in the audience in the video thought, really Maynard, that's all you got? But it's really true. That simple little thing helps me at least relax and breath stronger.
  2. Phil986

    Phil986 Forte User

    Nov 16, 2009
    Near Portland, OR.
    Both Maynard and Miles seemed to position their bodies in ways that maximized the work of the abdominal muscles and kinda shortened the air column, giving a "geometrical" volume reduction.

    One thing I noticed in my own humble practice is that taking a big full breath is indispensable, as it exploits the elastic recoil of the chest to the best possible extent. In fact it is suprising how many notes we can obtain only by passive chest recoil whe we take the biggest possible breath. The additional abdominal work can then be just a little to provide the extra compression.

    I noticed also that trumpet does not need a lot of airflow out of the body in terms of l/min (far less than sax/flute/low brass) but it does require a lot of air on board because it is impossible to create the pressure necessary for most notes near and above the top of the staff without a volume that is there to be compressed. The lung space can be made only so small by our own movements, if we start with lungs half full, there is little compression that can be created, it is a lot more dependent on abdominal work, and will be done higher in the column, not a favorable combination. A big breath every time before starting sound production helps a lot.

    Kingtrumpet, they don't do mouth to mouth anymore, they use masks...
  3. patkins

    patkins Forte User

    Nov 22, 2010
    Tuscaloosa, AL.
    Hey Mark, You not a HiJacker, you're a Hitch Hiker! ROFL
  4. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    Had to reply to this! XD

    1) I remember the feeling from falling off the monkeybars in elementary school. That sucks! Nice to breathe again.
    2) 5ks have reminded me that breathing is a good thing!
    3) I usually do this just for fun, when home. I think I've gotten a good two minutes once, breath is precious. (My girlfriend takes my breath away already)
    Indeed, this reminds you how good it is to breathe.

    I'm starting some yoga as well, for the benefit (included with my P90x, might as well use it). Interesting stuff about the Maynard/Miles breathing. And thanks Patkins!
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  5. patkins

    patkins Forte User

    Nov 22, 2010
    Tuscaloosa, AL.
    Inhale, Exhale, repeat! That about does it! ROFL
  6. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    Absent any health issues, it is my perception that good posture supports proper breathing, as follows with breathing naturally without any strenuous effort. Gasping for air isn't achieving much. Tensing muscles isn't either.

    If you can't swim, just walking is a great breath conditioner, the latter augmented by listening to great music.

    JNINWI Piano User

    Apr 26, 2011
  8. gelatinshoehorn

    gelatinshoehorn New Friend

    Aug 28, 2010
    By all means do what makes you breathe better and become a better player. A good trumpet teacher is indispensable for this. I personally think finding a good Yoga teacher is an excellent idea too . I also think people should know a little about "Yogi Ramacharaka".:
    William Walker Atkinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Much of what appears in the Yogi's essay seems reasonable to me. Some of it doesn't seem mainstream, from a modern Yoga perspective. Most importantly, I feel strongly that you can't learn safe, healthful Yoga from a book. ANY book.
    I know this Ramacharka essay is much admired in trumpet circles. I am only suggesting that it is not the end of the story.
  9. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    I continue under the care of a Medical Doctor whose specialty is pulmonology or breathing - lung specialist and would not be alive today were it not for his care.

    That said, I ask how much different is the Yoga "Science of Breath" than what is taught in Asian Karate and Kung Fu? Even the American Indian copes with much of the same look at one's inner self and ancestral customs.

    What disturbs my senses most is that I cannot perceive relaxation in others ... there is no calm. Most walk through life at an erratic quick step instead of a steady pace.
  10. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    yes, I was hoping someone would grasp my ideas!!!!!!!!! breathing is more or less --- INVOLUNTARY ---- of course, Maynard and others, compress the lungs, fast air, etc --- whatever you want to call it ----- but generally ---- when you end up with ALL THE AIR OUT of your lungs (OK DR's - I know ALL the air doesn't really come out --it is an expression) -- but when you are gasping and grasping for air ---- YOU already realize -- most of us don't have to think about breathing ----- and ultimately that is what we are working on with breathing and trumpet playing ------ TO NOT HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT --BUT JUST BE DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in my humble opinion that is ROFL ROFL ROFL

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