man, I found a deal todayand I jumped on it. a chicago benge, basically perfect condition L bore it says custom made by e benge on the bell, resno-tempered bell. with Mt. Vernon 10 1/c and old blessing 9 mp and what I think to be the original case, for $395. sometimes people sell things, when they dont know what they have, those of us who reads these forums and learn the history of brands are more able to jump on what we know to be a good deal. thank you trumpet forums.