I have to pull my tuning slide out this much

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  1. Kantza

    Kantza Pianissimo User

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    Hello

    I own a Besson Sovereign 927 (.460 bore) and I have to pull my tuning slide out this far (see photo) to play in tune.
    I don't think this is usual? I have like 1cm left and then my tuning slide would be out of the cornet.
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    Is the problem caused by the mouthpiece (I play a bach 3C)? This can't be normal?

    Regards
     
  2. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Mezzo Forte User

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    I have a swiss cornet that is in pretty much the same situation. There are many explanations that I can think of. A) European tuning. B) Britsh Brass Band tuning. C) I contacted the manufacturer, whose German accented email said it was a B, which in the german system is a Bb, because they refer to B's as H, but maybe she actually meant an English B. D) Some horns are just like that. E) The factory is in a Swiss mountain somewhere and the speed of sound makes tunings different there.
     
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  5. Vulgano Brother

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    Alternative would be longer inner slides put on the tuning slide. You'd still be pulling out your slide the same amount but you could gain more slide to play with when tuning lower than the horn wants to go.
     
  6. entrancing1

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    Wouldn't this make the cornet more sharp, necessitating pulling out the tuning slide even more?
     
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  8. Conntribution

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    Stupid, ignorant question here. Do traditional British brass bands play in standard A 440 or higher pitch?
     
  9. Kantza

    Kantza Pianissimo User

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    That would be a good reason for my problem, didn't think of this before.

    Just found this:
    "Before the mid 1960s there was a more practical problem to overcome regarding
    experimentation with other instruments: pitch. While all other musical ensembles tuned to an A
    above middle C pitched at 440Hz, brass bands tuned to 452.5Hz - so called "high pitch". Even
    the change to Universal Pitch was met with predictable stubbornness. The rule about pitching to
    the Crystal Palace organ was short-lived due to its obvious practical difficulty, the change being
    forced by the manufacturers and fixed at 1st April 1965."
    source: http://www.bandsman.co.uk/downloads/history.pdf

    But this cornet isn't that old, so it's probably made to tune in 440?
     
  10. SmoothOperator

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    I don't think all bands switched overnight, so supposedly there are still bands that play with a high pitch today. My horn is from the 1970's, maybe there was a period where some horns were designed to be played either way.
     

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