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Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Kantza, Mar 7, 2013.
Well, forget the age LF problem. Far too new for that.
Concert pitch is the same as C instrumentation, and it's true that if you played a C on your cornet that it would be a Bb in concert pitch, but I cannot understand how you think you've thus tuned your cornet to Bb. A = 440 Hz is a natural B on a Bb cornet, concert B is a C# on your Bb cornet, concert C is a D on the Bb cornet etc. etc.
There was a series of 927 Besson cornets (around 1988/9, shortly after they introduced that numbering system) that were intended to be played with extremely deep Denis Wick mouthpieces (the #4 Denis Wick of that time was about three millimetres deeper than the current model!) and therefore needed to be shorter to be compatible with A=440. I presume you've got one of these. Try changing the mpc - perhaps a 3c Flugel mouthpiece would bethe solution: It would still fit into the leadpipe, but would be slightly longer than the 3c, and would have a deeper cup. Problem solved.
As regards your 3c: Is it an original Bach 3c, or a shorter clone?
This suggests getting the leadpipe lengthened.
Going for a longer leadpipe is like going after the cat in Alien. Few survive, and no one can hear you scream.
It's a real Bach 3c .
But because I don't have playing problems I'll keep my setup (mpc) like it's now.
I just wanted to know how this was possible, so now I know
thanks for all the information!
I would also say, if it plays in tune and doesn't fall out the horn, who cares! It pulls out that far for a reason. I had the guy next to me tell me my slide was pulled out too far. I commented that I was in tune. He insisted I COULDN'T be and that I was flat. Put the tuner on it and I was spot on. Put the tuner on his horn and he was almost a half step sharp! I said you need to pull your slide out. He blushed and said he couldn't, it was stuck ( this was 4 yrs ago and it's STILL stuck). I don't take his advise seriously anymore. I would trust barliman's info regarding your horn. Get the DW mpc or just keep doing what you're doing. It doesn't matter if it's in tune.
This could have been a picture of my King Opus 7 a year ago, when I was using a Bach 3C and experiencing inconsistent intonation, along with playing very sharp. Frustrating.
In a quest to get a darker, mellower sound, I contacted Mark Curry, and he recommended his 3DC. The first time I played this mouthpiece, the sound was awful, and I thought I had made a mistake by purchasing it, but I stuck with it the rest of the day. The next day my embouchure had adjusted to the new mouthpiece enough that it sounded really nice. I then went through the entire range with a tuner and discovered that I was able to push the tuning slide in to about 2/3 of what it was before, and the inconsistencies in intonation pretty much disappeared.. Within the next week and a half my endurance and especially my upper register improved considerably, and the timbre was beautiful.
Recently I came across a Benge 3 mouthpiece like was supposed to come with my horn, but didn't, and I tried it out. Timbre was slightly fuller than the Curry 3DC, and response was noticeably better; lip slurs were cleaner. And... I was able to push the tuning slide in a little more, maybe half of what we see in your photo.
I purchased the Opus 7 because of its sound, and I was unhappy with the way it played, but since I came upon the solution, I now love this horn. I think your cornet is in need of the right mouthpiece, and I hope you find it soon. Many on TM say that the right stuff will find you if you are patient. I agree; it sure has worked out that way for me countless times. I have to add that the quality of the information available here on TM and the helpfulness and knowledge of the members is humbling.
you sir are the man!