In search of a "new" C trumpet

Discussion in 'Horns' started by Plithos, Dec 22, 2016.

Which would you suggest?

Poll closed Jan 6, 2017.
  1. CarolBrass CTR-4000

    0 vote(s)
  2. CarolBrass CTR-5060H

    1 vote(s)
  3. Bach 239

    3 vote(s)
  4. Lawler C trumpet (unknown specs, so far..)

    1 vote(s)
  5. Getzen Capri

    0 vote(s)
  6. suggest another one

    4 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Plithos

    Plithos Pianissimo User

    Jun 4, 2007
    Greetings amigos of TM,
    it's been a while since i posted a thread in the forum, but now seems the right time to do it..
    So, the time has come for me to (and i) consider to buy a C trumpet. I've created a brass/wind quintet recently and after examining enough material i found available, it revealed to me as an absolute necessity the acquisition of a C instrument..

    Not being even close to Bill Gates's treasure, i have to scale price and quality, at the same time..
    Seeing that there's no decent, used C trumpet on Ebay, under $1000, my initial thought became to buy a CarolBrass instrument. I've read everywhere about how magnificent Bb trumpets they make, in lower costs, so yes.. even the cheaper CTR-4000 (~€500/$600) could be the right choice.. I'm hardly familiar with the C trumpets, so...
    But then it became more complicated, since CarolBrass informed me of their advanced model, the CTR-5060H, which is double the price, but it's more flexible, warmer, with better metals, and for "experienced musicians".. My teacher suggested the latter one, since C trumpets have often intonation problems, so, maybe, more money, better care..

    And then, a seller i found, suggested:
    i) a Lawler C trumpet, with the classic yellow mat finish, for ~$1300.. And i got excited! I'll never make that money from playing with a C trumpet, i'm out of my budget, but, hey, it's a Lawler..!! (which apparently, closes the production of trumpets, as from Jan 1, 2017)...
    ii) a Bach 239 with 25 Herseth leadpipe, third hand, with a mysterious/nasty patch on the right little finger's crook.. for $1300.. I'm feeling too confident about that.. even though the price is crazy for a Bach..
    iii) a Getzen Capri, good condition, $750-800.. (Good i read, but not as an Eterna...??)

    So now, i address my dilemma and confusion to the community here:
    a) which one would suggest?
    b) what "tradition" does Lawler have on C trumpets? I mean, are they the classical, bright and mellow instruments that you expect (when buying a C trumpet) , or are they on the same commercial motif, the famous Bbs are, just smaller?

    thank you all in advance
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2016
  2. veery715

    veery715 Utimate User

    Mar 6, 2007
    Ithaca NY
    How about an NYTC Stage One C? In excellent condition. Silver plated. $1200. PM me and I'll let you know more.
  3. jengstrom

    jengstrom Pianissimo User

    Oct 17, 2009
    Rochester, NY
    Do you have the opportunity to play each of these horns? If so, pick the one you think plays the best. If not, you've got a tough decision. My first thought would be to pick the Bach, just because it could be the most versatile of the bunch. Also, if you don't like it, you can probably sell it easily. How old is it? Is the valve compression good? It will probably have the usual Bach intonation issues, but those might be improved with a valve alignment, which can be done later if you can't afford it now.

    Lots of things to consider. Have fun, and good luck.

  4. Lukarino

    Lukarino Pianissimo User

    Dec 8, 2015
    San Diego, CA
    Check for some good C trumpet listings. The C trumpet I would recommend (and last time I checked, they had 1 or 2 at TH) is the Sonare C trumpet. It's basically a B&S with a Blackburn leadpipe. They aren't made anymore, but are good horns and go for pretty cheap. I snagged mine for $900.

    C trumpets items - available on Trumpet Herald
  5. Glennx

    Glennx Pianissimo User

    Aug 16, 2009
  6. Churchman

    Churchman Mezzo Piano User

    Apr 26, 2012
    Conn vintage one 'c'
  7. flugelgirl

    flugelgirl Forte User

    Jan 20, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    I've played the Carolbrass models, and the lower model was very good. I've also played an older Lawler C, and it was fantastic. Both were better than most of the Bach Cs I've played, but if you don't like them they aren't as easy to sell later. Then again, you don't see that many of them for sale, and a zillion Bachs are always up for sale! Tough decision, but my personal choice would be either the lower model Carolbrass or the Lawler, depending on budget.
  8. Plithos

    Plithos Pianissimo User

    Jun 4, 2007
    Wow Flugelgirl! You've got fantastic equipment! Thanks for the opinion also.. i'd certainly like to try a CarolBrass.. Yes they are industrialized.. maybe not custom cared, handcrafted.. Yes they come from Taiwan.. But almost everybody says that they are great.. (and i'm not in anyway trying to promote them!)
    And lastly, you're right.. The market is filled with Bachs (obviously because is a giant company and sells thousands per year).. What do all these people buy after a C Strad? Which is significantly better?

    thanks again
  9. Plithos

    Plithos Pianissimo User

    Jun 4, 2007
    As i learned, the Lawler is a Ps1.. which they promote as a masterpiece, a bit heavier and more mellow..:
    "The new 2013 Lawler Ps1 is the result of many request for a slighty heavier trumpet that will produce a warm full tone, but when needed be able to sing out over the orchestra. It's rose brass bell and leadpipe aid in its warm sound but quick response. Many have noted how soft one can play and still get a clean clear attack. The broad tone at forte level just sings. If you need to play the lead line the upper register is centered and very accurate. Listed below are available specs. Each Ps1 is built to order".
    I attach photos:
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  10. Plithos

    Plithos Pianissimo User

    Jun 4, 2007
    And this is the Bach 239/25h:
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    notice the patch on the third slide crook (it fell and made a crack, so they sealed it).. and also the bad soldering on the right little finger's ring

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