Interesting dilemma

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Mark_Kindy, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    I have experience playing in both jazz and classical, but just recently noticed something about my playing.

    Playing on the 13a4a, I feel much more comfortable, relaxed in my embouchure... this is the piece I use for lead/ some pep band playing.
    Playing on my 3c, I have a hard time finding that same solidity in my lips.. sometimes it feels like I can't get the sound to center as well, or to be as open/relaxed. Any suggestions why this may be?

    I had an instance after spring break when I hadn't practiced more than once every other day, but I came back and my sound on my 3c was very open, relaxed, free, and big. I was very surprised! This continued for a few days, but eventually subsided, and I can't figure out why that may be...

    Despite this, my flexibility and range, and other aspects have remained largely the same.

    Thanks for any replies!
  2. the newbie

    the newbie Pianissimo User

    Jan 27, 2011
    San Francisco
    Whats the difference between those MPs? I guess the 3c would be wider and deeper? My guess is your lips/embouchere is just more used to the Shilke MP. But then again thats just a guess, but i get the same thing so i just stick to one mouthpiece now and be done with it. for a while until i get better all round anyway.
  3. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    13a4a -- smaller rim diameter, flatter rim, larger rim thickness, softer bite, cup is a v-style cup (rather than bowl), cup is shallower, backbore and throat are tighter. Also, in this case, is a heavyweight.

    I'm comparing it to my Bach 3c in this case, to clarify, because that is what I use for classical playing (no offense meant to TA's mouthpieces, I just know my teacher prefers my use of Bach for classical). With the ACB 3c slug mouthpiece, I have less of the previously mentioned issue.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2012
  4. richtom

    richtom Forte User

    Dec 7, 2003
    Mark, those two are very different mouthpieces. While they are not that much different in size, the rims, cup shape, cup volume, backbore, and alpha angles are all quite different.
    The 13A4a is a specialist mouthpiece made for Mike Vax. The 3C is a versatile, all-around mouthpiece that can "do" anything. Symphonic, quintet, solo, jazz, and some greats use it as a "lead" mouthpiece. At this point in your development, your chops may not be able to respond in a positive manner to these different mouthpieces.
    A dozen years or so ago, I went to a clinic given by Mike Vax. He is a most extraordinary player and proved to me and many others in attendance that it IS possible to greatly alter what comes out of a bell with thought patterns about what you are performing without a mouthpiece or horn change. Mike began by playing the lead part to "Here's That Rainy Day" in a true brilliant and clear lead trumpet sound. Without hesitation, he began the opening of the Hummel Concerto with a very distinctly different character to his sound which was very appropriate for soloing on the Hummel. Still crystal clear, less brilliant, and with a more orchestral sound. He then proceeded to a very intimate soft Chet Baker, Miles type of sound. A covered sound if you will.
    I cannot - nor can anyone here - really make any type of judgement without seeing and/or hearing you. You and your teacher will need to sit down and decide which is the best for you or you can contact the various mouthpiece manufacturers about your dilemma. GR, Curry, Laskey, Hammond, Stork, and many others are there to help you.
  5. nieuwguyski

    nieuwguyski Forte User

    Aug 9, 2004
    Santa Cruz County, CA
    Why not get an ACB 3C in the traditional blank?
  6. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    Was a trade with BustedChops for my Wedge 3c (plastic), he had the slug
  7. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    did I miss something?? which one do you play the most on????? Practice the most on????
  8. patkins

    patkins Forte User

    Nov 22, 2010
    Tuscaloosa, AL.
    Mark, this is why some stellar players stick with one mouthpiece no matter what. An interesting example was that Conrad Gozza used a Bach 7C the entire time of his career. He was considered one of the greatest lead players, but when you listen to some of his solos such as the Trumpeters Prayer you realize, he could do a broad range of music with one mouthpiece. I used a Schilke 12 for a long time, I bought a Bill Chase 6A4A and really found it detestable. I stuck with the Schilke 12, my playing improved much better than trying to switch mouthpieces to give me an advatage. Just stick with one and think about what you're playing and see if the tone doesn't change. Most of my current mp's are all a 3C range and I've stuch with that size with great results. I quit looking for a magic mp and am much happier; as well as, I have more cash. Best Regards, It is a great topic!
  9. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    I can probably get a similarish sound on a 3c, but I've found it really difficult in the past, which is why I stuck with the 13a4a (also acknowledging endurance benefits) I'm not looking for a magic mouthpiece, but I enjoy the sound I get on it =/

    To KT: I use the 3c most often, probably about 75% of the time, and practice on it the most, as well.

    I'd ask my teacher, but she doesn't do/like jazz. I'm going to TRY to get a lesson or lessons from Roger Ingram this summer, see what he has to say on the topic, as well.
  10. codyb226

    codyb226 Banned

    Mar 9, 2011
    Florida, US
    What do you guys think of this, Mark included.

    Use the 3C for everything, and the 13a4a for all of marching season. Then never touch it until marching when you want it. You might be comfortable with the 3C for everything by then and not need the 13a4a at all. Just a thought.

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