Internalise music

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by BruceGrain, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. BruceGrain

    BruceGrain New Friend

    Feb 6, 2011
    Played guitar and harmonica so i didn't notice the problem but trumpet is a completely different animal. How do you get so you can hear the note before you play it and hear the music on the page when you read it. I am thinking about finding a witch doctor who specialises in trumpet players.


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  2. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    You simply practice your ass off for years. What you mention is simply related to hundreds to thousands of repetitions. Intelligent practice will halp you learn to play well at the same time.

  3. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

    May 7, 2011
    you spelled pitch wrong
  4. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

    May 14, 2011
    Hawaian homey
    You can also match pitches.

    Have someone play pitches and you match them on your horn. Or you can sing a pitch and do the same thing. There are ear training recordings that have series of easy to progressively more difficult motives that you can use. You can have a friend record individual pitches for you to play which start easy and get more difficult to hear. He can do the same with intervals, first two intervals, then three etc.

    You get the picture.I think you can get from what I've given that the possibilities are endless. As you get more proficient, if your goal is jazz improvisation, then the things you want to be listening to and playing back should be characteristic of that style. Somewhere along the line you should be playing along with recordings of your favourite players.The possibilities are endless.

    Oh - another thing that can help your ear - singing and sight singing.
  5. schleiman

    schleiman Piano User

    May 12, 2010
    Austin, TX
    As a guitar player with 14 years experience under my belt, which includes recording with professionals, playing with loads of different people, and playing tons of shows. I will say this when it comes to trumpet playing, listen to Rowuk. I'm still finding my way to being able to play music with the trumpet. Guitar is much more intuitive. You learn one scale, and you can play it in all 12 keys. You can pick a note on guitar, and find your place by ear rather quickly. With the trumpet this is not so. Guitar strings are tuned to a certain pitch and you just play the right notes and you sound in tune. You can memorize patterns visually as well as hearing them. With the trumpet, if you can't hear the concert pitch in your head, you sound out of tune until you can lip up to being in tune. And the finger patterns are sequential, there is less of a "Map" for you to look at, also each key is different. As far as hearing the note before you play it well, I will just concede to Robin's expertise here. It takes lots of thoughtful practice, with lots of repetition to get the patterns under your fingers. Remember when you learned guitar? It took hundreds if not thousands of repetitions of scales and chord positions before they became "comfortable" and your hands and mind could work without a gap between you and the music.

    The main difference with trumpet is that one tires much more easily, as it is commanded by your air primarily. It is a WIND instrument. Think of building your embouchure the same way you built up the calluses on your fingers, only it takes years, not months. The simple fact is, trumpet is more difficult to produce a pleasing sound on. Sorry guitar players, but when it comes to general sound, and all around tone, with guitar it is all about how much you want to spend to get what guitar, with what amp combination to produce what sound. Trumpet is much less equipment involved and more about YOU. And how YOU as a player use your body to plug into the "amplifier" which is the trumpet. Different trumpets and mouthpieces can provide different tone colors, but I think those differences are more easily noticeable and manipulated by an experienced player than a novice. Somewhat akin to guitar actually.

    You could put a guitar player who has only been playing 6 months on a Custom Paul Reed Smith or a 1954 hand-made Fender Strat with a Class A tube Vox, Orange, or vintage Fender amp, and they will sound okay, but they won't be able to play with the confidence and commanding presence that comes with putting in the work. In essence, you can't sell yourself to your audience unless you can communicate effectively. It comes down to practice, and amount of time spent really getting to know and familiarize yourself with the instrument. Until your soul can play and not your fingers or your mind. Your instrument can be at once your enemy, your friend, and your muse. It just depends on how well you know it. And I truly believe in this instance, the wind family is one of the hardest to learn and master. But good luck, and never give up if it makes you happy!
  6. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    Hire me, I am a medical doctor, but I will learn voo-doo if you hire me and encorporate it in your treatment plan. With the Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement schedule I am left to accept, I could really use this extra gig.

    OK, my treatment plan is based on the following:
    You simply practice your ass off for years.

    Now I know this sounds like I just stole this from Rowuk, but that is how we in medicine practice. We take the BEST ideas and apply it to our patients.

    OK, so here is where I expand on the great advice of the master Rowuk [this IS the voodoo part]:

    Write down the name of your target goal, on a parchment on the night of a full moon. Then cut an orange into two halves and then place a tablespoon of chocolate syrup on the surface of one orange. Now put the orange halves back together to form a whole keeping orange halves firmly in place with the chocolate syrup. Then say "Moon shining oh so bright, please grant my wish tonight" seven times and be prepared for a surprised the very next day!

    You can pay my receptionist as you leave the office. It is unlikely your insurance will pay for this session, unless you have elected the special voodoo clause.
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2011
  7. jtpowell

    jtpowell Pianissimo User

    Mar 15, 2011
    You do not have to practice for years before you start, key word start, to hear the music on the page. You can start to hear today especially if you already know the sound of the tune on a page. You really shouldn't even need an instrument at hand to hear what's on the page and that really shouldn't have to wait years before that begins. I don't know what will work for you but here is what has helped me. Saying the notes of the scale the chart is with each note in it's pitch. That's like a vocabulary lesson for me. No vocab, no musical phrases/sentences. If I actually do have my horn I run through the scale. It's also helpful for me to sing the chart. That helps get it in my head. If it's not in my heart and head its not ever coming out the other end of my horn. You having actually played other instruments should help especially if you can already read music.

    While it may take years to achieve mastery this isn't something you have to wait years to start doing and reaping the benefits of. Do not wait years to start hearing. Start hearing today.
  8. Phil986

    Phil986 Forte User

    Nov 16, 2009
    Near Portland, OR.
    We actually call these mouthpiece manufacturers...
  9. PatMurphy

    PatMurphy Pianissimo User

    Aug 9, 2009
    Cherry Hill NJ
    Do NOT Give up. This is THE most rewarding soul inspiring instrument when you get to "hear" the music. I only have to do half, since I cannot read I only have to LISTEN to the piano, and the singer if there is one, engage my emotions and blow.
    How does it work. I don't know.
    The thing I always did that may have done it is do scales. The C, C#, D, D# or whatever comes next scale. Up and down, up and down. I do not think about the notes, only what feels right.
    I always concentrat on tone. Adjusting my lip until the horn sounded full and centered and I liked what I heard.
  10. Branson

    Branson Piano User

    Jan 16, 2011
    If you can "see and hear" pitches when you play your guitar, then your ear is good and through practice and time so will you on your trumpet. If you can't do it on your guitar, you may continue to have a problem with the trumpet.

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