Is it a C or a B-flat? Confused

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  1. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    If you want to play a C major scale with a piano, push the following valves:
    C1=1+3 (called D in Bb notation)
    D=1+2 (called E)
    E=2 (called F#)
    F=0 (called G)
    G=1+2 (called A)
    A=2 (called B)
    B=1+2 (called C#2)
    C2=1 (called D)

    As far as the Bb trumpet goes, the clear sounding open notes start at written low C (sounding Bb), the next open note is G (F sounding), then comes 3rd space C (Bb sounding), then comes 4th space E (D sounding), then comes G on top of the staff (sounding F).
     
  2. Dale Proctor

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    It's basically just a screwed-up mess...
     
  3. Ed Lee

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    I believe most of us started playing with music scored for our instrument ... cornet or trumpet ... pitched in the key of Bb. Yet our minds have been pre-filled with vocal music in school and church that correspond to an instrument pitched in the key of C (piano, organ, stringed instruments) that are non-transposing they say, and in that statement I call a fallacy. My Mother could play her piano in other pitches as readily as I can now play her piano music on a Bb instrument. I think there was just some rule that instruments pitched in C were said to be in concert key ... and it is this tonation that the conductor expects to hear. When s/he asks for a middle C (midway between treble and bass clefs) a Bb cornetist / trumpeter best play a D what appears a step and one half higher. It just becomes the common language for all the instruments in the orchestra and the only one in which scientifically A=440 hz. Notice: It very very early Monday morning on the US East coast as here in NC, and I may be confused also.
     
  4. Vulgano Brother

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    What gets interesting is when three players play D trumpet music on the A piccolo trumpet. One might refer to the written note (c for example), another may refer to the sounding note (d) and the third the note on the a trumpet (f).
     
  5. Dale Proctor

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    I'm playing a piece in D for Christmas with two piccs in A playing the 1st and 2nd parts and me on 3rd playing on a D trumpet. That's good because:

    1) I don't own a picc any more
    2) I do own an Eb/D trumpet
    3) 3rd part is too low for a picc, anyway

    Hopefully, we won't get into any discussions concerning individual notes or chords, since I'm just a "useful hack" whose formal music education stopped at the high school band level.
     
  6. rowuk

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    A-picc for D trumpet parts is simple reading of bass clef with a key signature of F
     
  7. Vulgano Brother

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    Hmm, I thought the bass cleff with 3b's worked for the key of C on the A piccolo. I transpose up a fourth (and down an octave) when playing in the key of D.
     
  8. rowuk

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    OK, Baritone horn bass clef!

     
  9. bumblebee

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    I feel even more for the OP now! Are you getting all of this, tonick?

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  10. Peter McNeill

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