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Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Outkastah, Oct 24, 2009.

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  1. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

    Nov 16, 2005
    Vidin, Bulgaria
    I smell a troll :troll: I maybe wrong, but if Outkastah want to boast with his range, there is better ways to do it. We have some pros in the forum who do a fine job as lead players and admit not to be able to play a double C. Most of the trumpet music on this planet doesn't need more than a consistent top G or A.

    To the question - nobody can tell you whether you do things properly over the internet. If you don't have a good trumpet teacher it is time to get one.
  2. Outkastah

    Outkastah Pianissimo User

    Aug 29, 2009
    Thanks everyone lol
  3. gbdeamer

    gbdeamer Forte User

    Oct 16, 2008

    On another thread you said you could play a double C on "good" days, so has there been some change recently that has allowed you to own it?

    Popping out a double C while practicing at home is one thing, claiming to be able to PLAY it is another...
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    Talk is cheap.
    I simply do not believe most of the double C tales - including this thread. If some kid owns a double C, enough people in the know find out and the rest takes its course. Squeeks and squawks are enough to scare ones in the know off though.

    I think I am going to just start deleting double C threads. They have no redeeming social value.
  5. B15M

    B15M Forte User

    Dec 30, 2003
    Monroe Ct.
    I was going to start another double C thread but maybe that would be too much
  6. SFPat

    SFPat Pianissimo User

    Sep 20, 2009
    I'm confused. I thought high C was 4 notes above the staff. Double C was an octave above high C. I just started my comeback and can hit an A above the staffwith some clarity, but not beyond. High C is an eventual goal (long time from now).

    As a side note, last year my daughter's high school jazz band played with a guest trumpeter (a local professional in Tulsa, OK) who was absolutely amazing. Could hit double C, (and well beyond) musically, with great tone and clarity. Most amazing trumpeting I've ever heard (and the kids were in awe too).
  7. sj3209

    sj3209 Piano User

    Nov 22, 2006
    Amador County, Calif.
    May I please offer a suggestion? If you are going to start a thread like this, post a recording of your playing. If you aren't willing to do that, I don't believe you are serious.

    Richard III
  8. dpa10

    dpa10 New Friend

    Sep 15, 2009
    Here's a link to trumpet solo sheet music with 30 second clips of jazz greats playing them. A few reach to or near double C, but not many even go above High C in their solos. - Solos Alphabetically

    Maynard Ferguson goes there. But listen to his tone compared to Chet Baker's. Chet's solos don't even go above High C.

    Listen to both.
    Which tone and feel would you aspire to?
    Lew Soloff, of Blood, Sweat and Tears fame, was considered a high note specialist and in his solo on the song "Spinning Wheel" he approaches double C but his tone is consistent throughout the solo. It doesn't sound strained or sqeaky, but he was considered one of the best at playing above the staff.

    An occassional note in the stratosphere can certainly add excitement or tension musically, but it appears even some of the greatest players played most of their notes within the staff.

    I'm with Rowuk on this.
    Range is a benchmark that even newbies like myself can chart to test our expanding abilities. But it says little about tone, musicality, timing, phrasing, dynamic range, intonation etc.

    I'm a proud member of the "above the staff club now."
    It's a big deal for me because I can measure it.
    G consistently after two months. (Big breakthrough in embouchure and breath control)
    But the fact I can play songs within the staff that people can actually recognize and with decent tone and timing is a far better measure of my progress. (slow songs, of course)
    Perhaps it is more important to work on my tone below the staff.
    If I have decent range but sound like a honking goose or car in need of a brake job what point is there to it all.
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2009
  9. guitarsrmine

    guitarsrmine Piano User

    Dec 29, 2008
    Franklin, Pa
    This question reminds me o a story. Years ago, I was in the local YMCA, working out in the weight room. All of a sudden, this man of small stature comes in, doesn't even warm up, tapes a few "Olympic weightlifter" breaths, lays on the bench, and does 1 rep of about 150 lbs. Then he gets up, all puffy chested ,like he justbroke the world record. I never saw the guy do any reps, any stretching, sets, or anything proper-just 1 stupid lift. I think the same applies here. DO you just want to hit the big "double C" and not have good tone(most important to me)poor articulatin,and possibly fry your lip? Use common sense and good practice habits.:play:
  10. oljackboy

    oljackboy Pianissimo User

    Feb 26, 2009
    Falls Church, Virginia
    I knew a guy who could really sit on a high F(fourth ledger space above staff) when he was a senior in high school. His name is Ken Smukal. He joined the Air Force, went to basic training, and joined the Airmen of Note as the lead trumpet player.
    Any kid that can really pin any note over about third ledger line E above the staff at fifteen years old is a bona fide phenom. And that's not to say that it would be impossible. Just waaaay out of the ordinary.
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