Just some solder?

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  1. PiGuy_314

    PiGuy_314 Pianissimo User

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    Hello all. It's been a while since I've been on TM and something that happened recently made me think of you guys again.

    My friend's horn had a solder joint fail (forgive me if I'm using the wrong term) where the brace connects to the leadpipe. I told him I'd give him a couple bucks for the horn because I know a guy who repaired that same injury on my horn and did so really well and he mentioned he was already getting a new horn, and he said he'd give it to me for free. Win-win, right? I get a horn for whatever I decide to spend on repairs, he gets rid of something he won't use and doesn't need.

    Well, the marching band curse took its toll and halfway through rehearsal the kid had somehow managed to tear the other two solder joints apart (leadpipe to valve block and other brace to leadpipe), effectively severing the leadpipe from the horn. The only thing keeping it on it the tuning slide.

    My question: all I need to do is get this to my tech and he can just solder the joints and we're good, correct? There's no other damage as far as I can see.

    For those of you wondering, he did end up giving me the horn free of charge. ;-)

    I am looking forward to some educated replies. I'm just a high school kid myself; I don't know much about metallurgy.

    You should be able to download some pictures of the casualty here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw8cuX6H-tlwbkxPbXNJTTBYZk0/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw8cuX6H-tlwRVVYdnlCdVBxb3c/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw8cuX6H-tlwRG16ZGFqRjJOUnM/view?usp=sharing

    Thanks all!

    ~Noah
     
  2. gunshowtickets

    gunshowtickets Forte User

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    Yes, some flux, solder, and judicious application of heat should get that back into playing order.
    Alternatively, you could try another leadpipe on it at this point it time and see if you like it better.

    Either way, you have a really inexpensive horn to use in your full-contact marching band .
     
  3. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

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    The lead pipe to valve casing brace is broken, not unsoldered. This needs either repairing by brazing and removing all traces of previous soft solder (outside the abilities of home hobbyists and many repair technicians), or replacing. The replacement brace will possibly have a different width, so the front and rear Z braces might need to be adjusted so that all three braces sit in place without clamping pressure, and the lead pipe lines up in the same plane as the lower tuning slide receiver.
     
  4. PiGuy_314

    PiGuy_314 Pianissimo User

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    Sweet, thanks so much. Eh, I don't think I'll mess around with this one. Like you said, I just got a horn for dirt cheap and at this point it's a spare-for-a-spare horn. :lol: My collection is building. I'll probably end up giving it away to some elementary school kid who could use it but for now I'll hang on to it and get it back on the battlefield.

    Get this: he said he tore the thing apart while trying to get his mouthpiece out of the leadpipe...

    ~Noah
     
  5. SteveRicks

    SteveRicks Fortissimo User

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    You've got to admit, Ivan is good.
     
  6. PiGuy_314

    PiGuy_314 Pianissimo User

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    Thank you for your expertise! I'll be sure to relay this to my guy and see what he says.

    ~Noah
     
  7. Dennis78

    Dennis78 Fortissimo User

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    that is how I thought that might have happened. Good for you to think of an elementary kid who needs a horn, everyone should think like that!
     
  8. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

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    Sometimes I wish trumpet manufactures would have a tag on the lead pipe, informing new owners about the hazards of stuck mouthpiece removal... included with pictures or the failed attempts.
     
  9. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    I find broken horns a just result. I don't think that the manufacturers need to define all the stupid things that people do. We learn by pain.......

     
  10. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    It's a conspiracy! Repairmen make money from the failed attempts at mouthpiece removal. ;-)
     

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