Learning quintuplets, heptuplets etc.

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  1. Sethoflagos

    Sethoflagos Utimate User

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    I've had a few sessions learning the trumpet solo at 0:55 by playalong



    The ornamentation is a bit of a challenge to work out (still not 100% sure on the 4th phrase), and there's a few of the more obscure tuplets in there, specifically 5s and 7s.

    I've transcribed it as best I can into MuseScore, but when I run that, the rhythm seems too precise and mechanical. https://soundcloud.com/seth_of_lagos/sundown

    What does the panel recommend as the best approach to learning these figures while still maintaining a relaxed flow to the melodic line.
     
  2. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

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    Video is "not available" in the US.

    However, my take on any group of faster notes is to aim for the long note after them:
    A triplet followed by a longer note (e.g. Beethoven 5, Mahler 5, Hummel opening fanfare) is not "one two three one" but "one two three four".
     
  3. tobylou8

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    :-(:-( Not available here !! Too violent? ROFL
     
  4. Sethoflagos

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    Have you guys banned spaghetti imports? :dontknow:

    I'm okay with the 2s, 3s, & 4s, Ivan. Even a 'normal' 5. But take the opening flourish in this piece. It's a heptuplet A B C B A G A, and that final A is sustained through the next few beats. So there's nothing on the downbeat to aim for.

    The 4th phrase run fits 9 notes into a beat somehow, but rather than being a regular pattern they seem to start slowish and just gradually get faster through the run. Absolutely no idea how to notate irregular note values. I've got it annotated semi/4xdemi/4xhemi just for the sake of getting something on paper.

    I guess the way I'm practising it is just mimicking the sound and phrasing on the film (the one you can't see), which seems freer in style than anything I can jot down in MuseScore. Maybe that's the way to go :dontknow:
     
  5. musicalmason

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    A, b with a mordent, a with an inverted mordent. That's how I would notate it, if I'm understanding what you saying. That takes care of the irregular note values, since mordants are open to artistic interpretation.

    Also, learning by rote/mimicking is 100% valid. Nothing wrong with it.
     
  6. Vulgano Brother

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    One trick for 5's and 7's is to assign a text over the beat. For example, "Vulgano Brother" or "I want more money" for 5's and "Wanna wanna wanna be" for 7's works for me.
     
  7. trumpetsplus

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    Agreed, but don't forget the following note (or rest).
    5s in this case would be
    "Vulgano Brother rocks (or sucks)"
    7s
    "Wanna wanna wanna be loud"
     
  8. J. Jericho

    J. Jericho Fortissimo User

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    Here's the tune by itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjB8P-rZG-4 . I concur with musicalmason; just take it a step at a time; repeat until you've got it. Once you've got it, maybe your notation will be more accurate, but sometimes notation is a guide, rather than an instruction.
     
  9. zerbinatti

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    That is nice! Wondering where could I find the score
     

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