Legit tone on a lead piece

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Vessehune, May 6, 2004.

  1. Vessehune

    Vessehune Pianissimo User

    Oct 31, 2003
    Sunnyside, WA
    I have this on a thread of on TH so I figured I'd put it up over here and see what TMers have to say!!

    I'm playing on a Monette B1-5M and a GR 66Z**

    I hate switching mouthpieces!! I hate that I do a majority of my practicing on my legit piece and then expect to have some sort of consistency on my lead piece.

    What can I do if anything to get a nice fat sound on the lead piece so I won’t have to switch?

    Or am I stuck forever switching never able to play on one piece?
  2. stewmuse

    stewmuse Pianissimo User

    Apr 28, 2004
    NW Chicago
    switching pieces

    PROBABLY, you are stuck. A small diameter and/or shallow cup do not lend themselves to "fat" sound. I f you REALLY don't want to change, then go with lead playing on the bigger ("legit") mouthpiece.

    Be a MAN!!! :D

    (Admittedly, though, I am not... Bach 1.25C for "legit," Bach 1D for "lead" :wink: )
  3. Vessehune

    Vessehune Pianissimo User

    Oct 31, 2003
    Sunnyside, WA
    I'm not a crazy Cuban trumpet player named Arturo who can do insane things on a 3C. If I was I guess I would have solved my own problem!! :D
  4. MPM

    MPM Pianissimo User

    Nov 10, 2003
    I was tempted to not even read this thread. But, barring extreme mpc designs, a well rounded comercial trumpet player can blend well in a legit, or semi legit situation without a ... I hate these terms .. legit mpc.

    As long as you are not too far off the beaten path, your concept of the sound you need to have will pretty much get you through the gig.
  5. Mikey

    Mikey Forte User

    Oct 24, 2003
    Agreed, MPM.........Check out the LA studio guys; find the article from Windplayer magazine which lists the equipment they use. To be a successful "session" musician, you need to be able to change sound and style as necessary. Most of those guys are not "equipment geeks".

  6. Nonsense Eliminator

    Nonsense Eliminator New Friend

    Nov 2, 2003
    It may be possible to get a "nice fat sound" on a mouthpiece that will allow you to play lead. However, on a bigger mouthpiece you will then be able to get a sound that is even "nicer" and "fatter." A larger cup volume will allow you to produce a more orchestral sound, period. Trying to manipulate to coax an unnatural sound out of a mouthpiece is going to cause problems. Trying to play one mouthpiece with two different approaches is at least as hard as trying to play two mouthpieces.

    If you want to avoid switching mouthpieces, you have to either avoid switching styles or find a compromise mouthpiece. There's no way around it. If your concern is consistency between mouthpieces, I think the simplest answer is to practice on both. You might also investigate using mouthpieces with more similar rims than you are currently using. No mouthpiece will give you your fattest sound and your best upper register. Find something in the middle or get used to switching.
  7. Bear

    Bear Forte User

    Apr 30, 2004
    Hey all,
    Just my two cents but a great compromise mpc that used to work great for me in (until I switched to Monette pieces, never looked back) switching between legit and commercial/lead was an old school Bach 3C. Shallow enough to play the lead book but also deep enough to blend in the orchestras. It is plaiable enough to emulate dark/rich or bright/pentrating. Again, just my two cents. Keep practicing.

  8. MPM

    MPM Pianissimo User

    Nov 10, 2003
    As I said, if you have the concept of the sound you want to get in your head, and you are not at an "extreme" with your mpc, you can do well.

    MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User

    Jan 31, 2004
    Newburgh, Indiana
    I am going to offer a more "off the wall" solution. The new Rudy Muck Second Generation mouthpiece. These pieces comes in a fairly small sizes, but are designed to sing with a marvelous tone. I have been very impressed as has my entire section in my local wind ensemble. The tone is in credible, the range terrific, and the cushion rim really helps for the long, hard, lead playing nights.

    A Muck 17 would make a great lead piece (near a Bach 11.5 in size) and still allow for legit work. If you would rather "push" a smallish legit mouthpiece, a Muck 19 might be the ticket being between a Bach 2C and 3C in size.


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