Lip form

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  1. SophiaPetrillosBuddy

    SophiaPetrillosBuddy New Friend

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    How should I form my lips while playing? My director says that I roll in my top lip while playing, and that I need to break that habit. She says it's bad for my embouchure. This is how I've always played, I can't help it. She also says that I sometimes have a screechy, scratchy noise to my tone, due to my embouchure. Does it matter how you form your lips, and how do I get rid of that scratchy sound while playing?
     
  2. Vulgano Brother

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    Firming the chin down and dropping the jaw often works for getting rid of the scratchy sound. Helps in the long run for the upper register.
     
  3. TrumpetMD

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    You ask a great question. I suppose the short answer is "no". Personally, I like to keep my lips in a natural position.

    However, any answers you get here will likely be somewhat subjective. I am assuming that your director is the only one who has actually seen and evaluated your embouchure. So I would tend to think she's correct.

    If you're not sure what she means or how to accomplish things, ask her to clarify things for you. If you need a second opinion, maybe a private teacher (if you don't already have one) can help.

    Mike
     
  4. gmonady

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    Combination of the two pieces of advice above... keep lips in neutral position... it is as God had intended. And keep chin firm and drop the jaw to a relaxed position... it will open and darken the sound... and it is how our trumpet god, Vulgano Brother intended. By the way, welcome to TM from a mere mortal.
     
  5. gmonady

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    PS: On TM... we only roll our lips after reading comments from Kingtrumpet... not only a mere mortal... but an oxymoron... minus the oxy.
     
  6. s.coomer

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    Vulgano is exactly right and I couldn't say it better.
     
  7. misty.sj

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    Do you mean like the Farkas Chin, VB? Chunk not puckered but spread out flat with all the muscles pulling away from the chin dimple area? I have to be honest and say I never know what this stuff means. "Keep the lips neutral" but if I do that I don't get a vibration. I have to do something with the corners of my mouth or nothing happens. I've been playing with this to try to stay as neutral as possible, but I think you guys are lying when you say you stay totally neutral. ;)

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    Is that the kind of thing you mean by neutral?
     
  8. Sharvey

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    Misty,

    Is that a picture of your embochure. I have always referred to the trumpeters smile to describe the embochure
     
  9. misty.sj

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    Lol no, it's from the Farkas embouchure book. It's a classic but I think it has fallen out of favour .
     
  10. Vulgano Brother

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    The "puckered smile" that Farkas wrote about works great for horn, but Rolf Quinque's concept of drawing the corners to the eye-teeth for trumpet makes great sense for me. The chin thingy, though, is a constant, despite some of the DHC books.
     
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