Lips + Horn Movement

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Mark_Kindy, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    I find it uncomfortable often in pep band when doing horn movements while playing, because it's hard to keep my air flowing properly, my lips centered, and to not use pressure... does anyone have any potential solutions?

    Thanks in Advance
  2. cyber_shake

    cyber_shake Mezzo Forte User

    Jun 16, 2006
    The 'Nati
    there is always going to be some pressure needed and pep band doesn't allow good technique to prevail ... try to understate the required movements to make it easier to play 'normal' without having to hold the horn too tight. i'm interested to know if someone has a better suggestion ... but i've never found one. just have fun and take care of your horn so it doesn't get dinged up
  3. codyb226

    codyb226 Banned

    Mar 9, 2011
    Florida, US
    Yeah, quite the pep bands! ROFL

    In reality, there is no solution to your problem with your conditions. You will have to have some pressure to keep the horn in the same place. I dont use a ton of pressure during marching or pep rallys, but I do use more then when I am in a concert setting. If you are turning your horn from side to side, more your whole body from the waist up. As in, only more your waist. If you are doing bobs, just move your back. I think you already knew that stuff though.
  4. Buck with a Bach

    Buck with a Bach Fortissimo User

    Dec 29, 2009
    Canton, Ohio
    I play with my wife's alumni band at times, mostly sit down concerts,etc.. They do some horn swings and stuff on some numbers, I have real trouble trying to keep things proper during that stuff. No real solution from me either:oops:
  5. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 11, 2010
    Gainesville, FL
    Yeah, the pressure is what's bothering me most, I'm trying to minimize that. The movement things I already know, yes, and that's helped some. Suggestion above, doing what I can to minimize my movements, but it just doesn't seem enough.
  6. Chuck Cox

    Chuck Cox Forte User

    Oct 3, 2008
    Cary NC
    I have never been an advocate of marching or jerky movements while playing your trumpet. I did this for 2 years while the trumpet instructor in the Cape May, NJ Coast Guard Band. You just have to do it sometimes. We can't always have the ideal conditions to play trumpet. When it's showtime, you just go along with the gig. 1000's of trumpet players do it every day. So can you.
  7. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    Let's slow down a bit here. Are there groups out there successfully marching and moving? Yes! That means that there IS at least one solution. Are there groups out there with moves and extreme register AND enough endurance for a longer show? YES!

    I am on record as not being especially fond of what happens with a lot of marching groups, but there is a way to do it right and it involves the same stuff that we need elsewhere, albeit in different proportions.

    The secret is BODY USE. You need control like a ninja so that the movement patterns do not become destructive. We get there by moving our practice sessions to places where running around is possible. You CAN play your long tones and lip slurs on the move. Scales do not turn into mush if your legs are not inert. I recommend moving your daily routine outdoors. Play at least 30 minutes a day marching. You WILL develop a feel for what is necessary in that controlled environment. Make sure that RESONANCE is your goal instead of LOUD. Get used to playing without hearing as much - THAT is where a lot of the pressure from lesser experienced marchers comes from - TOO DAMN LOUD.

    So my advice is to ignore highschool kids that don't know what they are talking about (yes Cody, I mean YOU - AGAIN. You really need to listen more) and start expanding what already works for you.

    There are no free gifts in the trumpet world, but a bit of common sense can really keep you out of trouble. The human state is almost infinitely flexible. We only need the right mix of ears and brains.
  8. chapmand

    chapmand Piano User

    Jul 26, 2010
    Edmonton, Alberta
    I did a short stint Ina marching band and had no instruction on how to do it. I quickly gained an appreciation for what the marching bands do at the half times and for competitions. Finding out how to maintain body alignment while moving th feet was the trick for me. What helped me clue in to this was watching Wytnon Marsalis in concert and how he moved around the stage while maintaining perfect control. I noticed that his horn was always coming directly from his face. And more often
    Than not his whole torso turned with the horn.
    I think I'll stick to sitting and standing.
  9. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

    Nov 7, 2009
    San Pedro
    It's been a few years ( who am I kidding 30+ years) I had to suffer through marching band ... but Rowuk is dead on in the volume issue and I believe Chapmand is describing how I endured it. My torso and arms keep the horn in alignment with my face so if I had to turn the horn it was from the waist or by arching my back. My shoulders would always be perpendicular to the horn.
  10. Local 357

    Local 357 Banned

    Jul 1, 2011

    Here here! Hard enough to get and stay in shape on this instrument let alone involve oneself in choreography that jerks and jolts the horn around.

    And while there are marching, pep bands and drum & bugle corps which amaze me I think it far more important to point out the SILLINESS of these ensembles. In general MARCHING BANDS ARE AN INSULT TO MUSICIANS AND MUSIC ITSELF. They are to music what porno is to theater only far less interesting and at least equally if not more humiliating.

    If I could I would boycott every marching band program in the world that requires musicians to join them in order to stay involved in instrumental music programs. the typical example of this is the poor kid who must participate in his degrading marching band in order to play in his high school jazz band.

    In my mind marching and pep bands which require hostile movements detrimental to musical tone have only two uses:

    To build chops, volume power and range

    To meet hot flute players.

    Besides these they are a sickening waste of time and disgrace for the music educational system as a whole. Any questions about how i feel about marching band?

    In short they suck. When you participate you are playing second fiddle to the stupid football players and hormonal imbalanced basketball team...
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2012
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