I was pronouncing pwhooo. As I said above "you cannot pronounce buzz" This is buzzing: More Buzzing! - YouTube I belittle no one's individual style and especially Mr. Wise who is most excellent at buzzing and I hold in the deepest regard and who I has my most humble respect. I posted a video prior to this of exactly the muscles are used to produce the pwhoooo sound. This sound in no way comes close to producing a buzz (READ as producing NOT as pronouncing), as I even described it as a motor response that makes more of an upward turned smile. I am not sure what more is needed to convince you that it is my intent to be as informative as possible that there is AN ALTERNATIVE to buzzing. It has not been my intent to belittle any one individual's style nor intended to belittle any style in general. Seth, I am so sorry you feel I have belittled you. Especially you, who I trust and give high respect to among comments and thoughts here on TM. Yet I have endured much personal attack here in this thread in my effort to give another opinion of how to produce a sound that I do admit is not traditional and is "thinking outside of the box". I will go on record again to say that I feel "buzzing is overrated". It is not bad, but it if individuals believe that this is the only way to produce a sound, then they will be miss-informed.