Make a Bb horn into a C ?

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  1. NOwens

    NOwens New Friend

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    Hi guys, I was wondering if there was a way to make a Bb trumpet into a C just by getting a longer tuning slide? Im not planning on doing this believe me, but Im just wondering theoretically if it would work!
     
  2. Brekelefuw

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    You can do it, but it takes an experienced tech. You need to shorten all of the tuning slides. It takes time, and patience.
     
  3. s.coomer

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    You would come closer by making a C into a Bb. To make a Bb into a C you must have less tubing to make a C and therefore it would not be feasible. Now I do know of Cs that have or can be made into Bbs. I have seen it done with a Kanstul 1510, however the Bb side is way out of balance.
     
  4. stumac

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    Can be done, but the whole length has to be Shortened by approx 4", including the valve slides.

    I did this some years ago to a beat up old Besson that I paid $10 for.

    It was a fun project and played reasonably well.

    Regards, Stuart
     
  5. Brass crusader

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    It's a fun project if you have the time and energy to do it. Working with horns for fun is great, but If you are planning on playing a C professionaly or at a serious level, than you do need to invest in a real C. The design of a C trumpet is quite a bit different than a Bb, more than just shortened slides. However, shortening the slides will make a horn that plays in C, not a C trumpet.
     
  6. Bob Grier

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    I agree with Brass Crusader. A C is different from a Bb. If you plan to use it professionaly, you should invest in a good C. The top symphony players seem to have switched to the new Yamaha Cs. New York, Chicago, etc.
     
  7. Brekelefuw

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    It would be easier to make a Bb into a C. All you do is shorten the tubing. TO go the other way you have to get all new tubing.
     
  8. Dale Proctor

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    A big difference between Bb and C trumpets (other than the length of the horn tubing) is the mouthpipe. A Bb can be cut down to C length, but probably won't play very well unless the mouthpipe is replaced with a C pipe. A C trumpet can be fitted with longer slides to convert it to Bb, but it will be squirrely with the C mouthpipe.
     
  9. trumphat

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    While I was in college, way back when at Fredonia, I didn't have the cash for a c trumpet. I took an old Holton that I had and measured the bore against various c trumpets that were around the school. One of the trumpet profs (Herb Harp) had a Benge c that was the same bore as my Holton. I then measured all slide lengths on the Benge, marked the Holton, got out a hacksaw and went to work! There are idiosyncrasies to the horn, but I've played some production horns that were as good/ bad. It is a medium bore horn, not suitable for orchestral work, but I had some fun with it. I now play a Classic French Besson and the Holton "hangs out" in my studio.
     
  10. rowuk

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    All you have to do is remove 1/6 of the tubing and you are good to go. Probably miserable intonation and blow, but stranger things have been sold. If you have nothing better to do with the Bb, cut it down. Maybe you will get lucky!
     

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