Miles Davis' Neck

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Alex_C, Jun 26, 2010.

  1. keehun

    keehun Piano User

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    hey hey you heard veery715 lets not feed this troll
     
  2. rowuk

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    Hey guys, we are not in the lounge.

    What hoghead posted is in fact the myths that many believe. That is why I continually make an effort to set the record straight. That there is a certain amount of resistance to changing a point of view is clear to me. Most posters here are not as impolite. Vulgarity often starts when the brain runs out of logical arguments. That also applies to trumpet sound by the way.

    I am not a big fan of wikipedia and the like , but it would offer people like hoghorn a better understanding of basic anatomy.

    The Lung Association of Saskatchewan

    Trachea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cartilage is hard and not able to be blown up like a balloon regardless of the lies that we were told by people that didn't know better.

    Tension is the enemy!
     
  3. Arthur Magazu

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    My neck puffs not as much as Miles or other examples mentioned... I consider it a natural blessing and a huge atvantage over other players, it increases my phrasing capacity and overall tonal quality... I do not believe it can be developed its just something I was born with or occured over time... I completley dissagree with the negative comments on the subject...
     
  4. rowuk

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    Arthur,
    the capacity of the lungs and the amount of air that can pass the lips/throat of the mouthpiece determine your phrasing capacity. If you have a bucket with a 1/16" hole in the bottom it does not matter if you fill the bucket with a 1/2" or 5" hose. The 1/16" is the controlling factor for how much water flows out. In the case of a trumpet, there is even additional resistance from the horn that does not let more air flow by adding higher pressure. That is why the myth of an open throat will remain a myth. What happens is we lower tension. That does not make MORE air flow (it has no where to go), it improves every aspect of our body use by allowing the muscles to react in a more controlled and relaxed way.
     
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  5. rowuk

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    For those of you that don't want to believe me, here is some other documentation by an engineer well known for designing some of the most popular brass instruments.

    http://www.smithwatkins.com/pdf/gettingtech05.pdf

    I remind the sceptics that I only offer information where I have some personal experience.
     
  6. stumac

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    Thanks Rowuk, That is fascinating (reaching for mouthpiece and hacksaw), I will see If I can reproduce the experiment, would make a great demonstration.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  7. rowuk

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    you can use a rubber balloon or saran wrap for the diaphragm, it really doesn't matter. You will have to play with the tension a bit.

    It only proves that "moving air" is only needed to get the lips vibrating and give us natural breathing periods so that we don't suffocate or hyperventilate. The trumpet could care less where the excitement of the standing wave comes from.
     
  8. ltg_trumpet

    ltg_trumpet Mezzo Piano User

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    well... interesting. I just came off a bonsai tree forum, which was very insightful, where the people are so kind. hahaha, coming here was like a walk on the dark side. god bless the trolls, thanks rowuk for your insight once again :)
     
  9. dlewis

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    Rowuk always comes well armed.You can not argue with someone who always has the facts
     
  10. brian moon

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    Man, I think you need some beta blockers.
     
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