Modern Approach to Playing Trumpet

Discussion in 'Trumpet Pedagogy' started by gwood66, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. gwood66

    gwood66 Piano User

    Dec 21, 2015
    South of Chicago
    Has anyone here used Gerard Presencer's book, Modern Approach to Playing Trumpet? Would like to hear your thoughts.
  2. Dennis78

    Dennis78 Fortissimo User

    Feb 1, 2015
    I honestly have never really used a book. I have been and still to this day so tied up in the getting the music that I’m to perform down pat that it always seems like looking at more music is a distraction

    I do though start all my practice with some long tones, the two scales I know and some intervals. Other than that I try my best to make sure the charts I’m expected to play-I have a good grip on

    There are a few songs though that I do like to play for myself. And I noodle on a blues scale that I also happen to know
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  3. Franklin D

    Franklin D Forte User

    May 23, 2009
    The Netherlands
    Better read the OP's question.
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  4. kehaulani

    kehaulani Utimate User

    May 14, 2011
    Hawaian homey
    I, too, would like an answer to the OP's question about Presencer's book. He's a heck of a player, so any info about the book would be welcome.
  5. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Forte User

    Apr 13, 2016
    New Glasgow, N.S. Canada
    This started out as an interesting post. I am still waiting for someone to reply to the OP's question.
  6. gwood66

    gwood66 Piano User

    Dec 21, 2015
    South of Chicago
    I was finally able to view some excerpts from the book and have dropped the cash. I will post my thoughts (whatever that is worth) after I have had a chance to go through a little bit of it.
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  7. Bflatman

    Bflatman Forte User

    Nov 27, 2008
    Manchester, England
    English is an alive language and we can use it flexibly.

    Kehaulani is using english quite correctly when he says "I too would like an answer", such contradictions of sentence construction seem a monumental waste of time, and in this case it is quite wrong to have made this correction, can we avoid doing this.

    I have no doubt that if I were to use the expression "my mother and me" in a sentence, which by the way is absolutely correct english, someone here would correct me with the incorrect and wrong "my mother and I".

    nuff said.
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  8. kehaulani

    kehaulani Utimate User

    May 14, 2011
    Hawaian homey
    Bflatman, I appreciate your comments so this is just a question because I'm interested in these things, not as a criticism at all.
    (And not that it matters. :-))

    You say "me and my mother" is correct English. I was taught that one way to find the correct form in a sentence that has two subjects, (me and my mother), is to eliminate one of the subjects and see if the results are stand-alone correct. Therefore:

    "My mother went to the store" stands alone and is the correct form.
    "Me went to the store" is not correct.
    "I went to the store" is correct.

    Therefore, the correct form of the words is, "I and my mother" and not "Me and my mother".

    Is there a difference between the "King's English" and "American English" in this case? Thanks.
    (And that question is based on my son's being an exchange student to England, where he was given three pages of words amd phrases that are the same words but have different meanings in English/American. I.e. "Knock me up". :-D )
  9. Bflatman

    Bflatman Forte User

    Nov 27, 2008
    Manchester, England
    I understand where you are coming from kehaulani, but english as in kings english has a lengthy heritage stretching back a thousand years. Often new rules have emerged that contradict traditional use and scholars are notoriously guilty of making up rules that appear correct and yet are not.

    I believe the motive is to make the language simpler to construct and use and to remove language traps that we keep falling into.

    One such example is of the collective noun where a spurious and incorrect collective noun for baboons is accepted by scholars now as a flange, whereas this is nonesense the correct collective noun for baboons is a congress. What seems to be correct unfortunately is often wrong in a language that gestated in saxon england matured with shakespear and came of age with Dickens.

    I would ask you to note that I did not say Me and my mother, instead I said my Mother and me. This is an old and long established way of expressing the first person as in myself or me

    As I understand it the correct form of identifying oneself in a sentence is by saying me and not I, although this is not a consistent rule, I believe the use of I instead on me derived from the Queens of england when expressing herself, she has commonly used the term my husband and I, and this sounds like it should be correct, rather than saying my husband and me, which sounds rather ungainly but in fact me is correct and I is not. Old english is just often ungainly.

    I guess the queen of england has the power as head of state to modify the language as she sees fit.

    I am I have to say no linguist and I defer to those who are and constitute my source on this, however I cite a few examples, the poem "my mother in me", which obeys the rule of using me, "my mother in I" does not.

    Another example is "Jill took Justin and me to the shop", which is correct english whereas "Jill took Justin and I" to the shop is incorrect.

    It has to be said however that there is some confusion over this question of usage of I and of me. and many traditional grammaticians disapprove of the use of me, however there are differences of opinion even in these hallowed halls, for example is it correct to use "jenny and me joined the chess club", or "jenny and I joined the chess club".

    The answer is actually and rather unpalatably both are correct depending upon where they are used. In speech it is usual to say "jenny and me", however in written english it is correct to say "jenny and I".

    The basic problem is that people love rules and they love consistency, and yet english is often neither consistent nor conforms to a single ruleset.

    Examples abound of this, the rule taught in schools is i before e except after c, this sounds good however the rule is just bunk, there are 44 words that obey that rule and 923 words that break that rule.

    Rules generally speaking do not work in english no matter how beloved they are of grammaticians.

    And this is really where I was heading with the post, your use of english was good and correct and any attempt to correct you based on a simplistic rule for what is an exceedingly complex language is in my opinion folly.

    I realise that this answer is both lengthy and as clear as mud but english resists rules no matter how much scholars and university dons like them, I hope, if you have survived to the end of this post that it goes some way to answering your question.
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  10. prinmancz52

    prinmancz52 New Friend

    Nov 28, 2007
    That depends on whether you are using it in the subject or predicate of the sentence.

    My mother and I like chicken.

    Do not make chicken for my mother and me.

    It is this situational depending on sentence construction.

    Anyway, I agree that grammatical correction is a waste of time on this site! Unless it is really egregious...

    Me done
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