My Lesson w/Roger Ingram

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by ALLCHOPS, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. miles71

    miles71 Mezzo Piano User

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    I think what we have hear is a serious specialist who is finding the best way to master a small part of the trumpet. For guys who play a variety of different gigs I dont think it would work. If I played like Ingram off the staff I prob. wouldnt need to do the other gigs as often.

    Just like I wouldnt go play a wedding on a 6A4a and a B5, I wouldnt play a lead gig on a 1X with a Bach 72 heavy wieght.

    This post has def. got me thinking about efficiency and new ways to look at the trumpet.
     
  2. talcito

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    A few years ago I took a handfull of lessons with the lead trumpet player for Ray Charles at the time. His way of playing seems almost identical to Roger Ingram's. He used to tell me that his way of playing was learned mainly thru ideas given to him by Bobby Shew and John Madrid. I guess this set up seems somewhat radical compared to the traditional, classical way of learning, but its obvious that the guys who have to make it work on lead trumpet day in and day out have a different approach. As for the positioning of the lips he would always refer to the picture of the gorilla pictured in the Maggio book(which by the way, bears an incredible resemblance to my mother in law).

    Oscar
     
  3. wilcox96

    wilcox96 Mezzo Piano User

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    ....talcito's finger ever at the ready to hit the "edit" button if his mother in law ever ventures on to this site....
    ROFL
     
  4. B6L

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    ALLCHOPS,
    Just wondering, was Roger playing his Calicchio mouthpiece or his Marcinkiewicz, and did he talk any about it?
     
  5. ALLCHOPS

    ALLCHOPS Piano User

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    Roger was playing his Marcinkiewicz piece with a #30 drill and mouthpiece sleeve... The Calicchio's never got off the ground and probably never will. I got that directly from Calicchio...


    Tony
     
  6. TrumpetEd

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    Roger primarily plays his Marcinkiewicz mouthpiece. He is currently working with Joe Marcinkiewicz on a new Roger Ingram mouthpiece. At times, he also plays a clear plastic mouthpiece. To my knowledge, Roger no longer uses a Calicchio mouthpiece. Although the gentleman I spoke with at Marcinkiewicz said Roger's mouthpiece has a 27 throat, Roger told me that his is a 30 drill.
     
  7. TrumpetEd

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    Hi gzent,

    I understand your concern. I guess a lot has to do with what type of playing you want to do. Roger does not play the same equipment for a brass quintet or orchestra gig as he does when he plays with Harry Connick, Jr. or playing any other demanding lead books.

    It is possible to get a good sound when playing "on the pink", but again, it depends on the type of music your playing. After many years of playing as taught to me by a classical style trumpet teacher, I now play with a more open aperture as Roger teaches, however, it doesn't teach that you maintain this open aperture throughout your range. The higher you play, the more your aperture will close down. One nice thing about playing like this, I can use this embouchure setting when playing in a big band or pop group, and change back to the other setting for orchestral work, without a problem. Others that use or used the same type embouchure and breathing method that Roger uses include Cat Anderson, Bud Brisbois, Maynard Ferguson and Bobby Shew. I think that Jon Faddis uses a similar approach as well. You can't argue with the results of these trumpet players. So you can see, this isn't just Roger Ingram making up something of his own and wanting others to follow his beliefs. This is a proven method that has stood the test of time, but is looked down upon by many "legit" players. If you plan to play primarily classical style music, you may be better off using a more "traditional" approach. As for keeping the shoulders up, there is much more to this breathing method than just keeping the shoulders up. It is best to learn Yoga breathing to understand this method of compression. Bobby Shew told me that it was Bud Brisbois who best understood how to apply the yoga breath to playing the trumpet. All I can say is to set up a lesson with Roger Ingram or Bobby Shew and see if this method of playing is for you. One person that would have some good insight on embouchure and breathing would be Malcolm McNab. Here is a trumpet player who is known mostly for his classical style playing and studio work, but he can hit Double Cs. Roger is a huge believer in practicing softly, and I have heard Roger play extremely soft in the lower register as well as the upper register. Most traditionalists are afraid to make this change, but if they are happy with their current performance and getting a lot of work, then they have no need to change. It is more of a personal thing. I know a lot of people on this website are influenced by Manny Laureano's opinions, but Mr. Laureano is not the end all trumpet player. No one is. No disrespect to Mr. Laureano. He is an excellent trumpet player, but there are many excellent trumpet players out there, and many of them have much to offer. If you truly believe in Mr. L's teachings, then practice them and stick to them. Through the years, trumpeters have used a variety of methods (i.e. James Stamp, Roy Stevens, Bill Adam, Carmine Caruso, Claude Gordon, Louis Maggio, etc.). Most of the players that embraced one of these methods all became excellent players and true believers in that specific method. It's like the martial arts. There are so many styles and systems. There is not one that is best for everyone. You have a variety to choose from. Choose what suits you best. Hope this helps some.
     
  8. TrumpetEd

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    Oscar,

    How long ago is a few years? Roger Ingram played lead trumpet for Ray Charles, and much of his approach today was learned from Bobby Shew. I never really discussed John Madrid with him, but I'll ask him when I see him later this month. Are you sure you didn't have a lesson with Roger?
     
  9. Billy B

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    Probably Larry Foyen.
     
  10. Brad

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    I played with Larry yesterday. I will find out if he copies gorillas or mother-in-laws.

    Brad
     

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