Well folks did it. I bought my P5-4. I love it. It s everything I hoped for. I bought it from Ceth Barnett at Tulsa band. He gave me a great price, and was a big help as always. Now for a little rant.......Why does schilke not send a case with that particular horn? and why didn't I get the 'A' Pipe? You would think that with the ammount of money I spent buying this horn that they would at least give me a case for it!!!.....I have to run now....have to find a case for this horn.