Natural pitch and concert pitch for Cornet

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  1. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    well I know its out of context, but do shade some light on that Ab please, wheres that Ab if we know that F is on 5th parital and Bb is on 6th parital
     
  2. Dale Proctor

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    Learn the standard fingerings and play the thing. If the played note doesn't match the sound in your head, practice the horn 'till your head comes around...:shock:
     
  3. dabhand

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    Dear Frankmike
    The general idea is that you have to play a Tone higher on a Bb Instrument to resemble/match a "C" Concert pitch instrument
    For concert pitch Middle "C", play a "D" on your "Bb" instrument and likewise
    Kind regards
    Dabhand
     
  4. seilogramp

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    On a Bb trumpet or cornet F is on the 6th partial, 1st partial being an octave below low Bb.

    1st partial - Bb (fundamental pitch)
    2nd partial - Bb
    3rd partial - F
    4th partial - Bb
    5th partial - D
    6th partial - F
    7th partial - Ab
    8th partial - Bb
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2010
  5. BrassFriend

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    Greetings to all of you! How very informative!
    I am learning a lot.
    I would like to inquire...what does the word "partial" mean here? I am a bit confused. I would appreciate a clarification.
    Thanks so much!
    God bless!
    :shhh::lol::D
     
  6. seilogramp

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    A musical instrument creates a complex tone that is not just one note, but a combination of many notes, also known as partials. This is what gives each instrument its unique sound.

    Read more here if you want to get into the physics.
     
  7. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    what are you talking about:shock:???

    your answer has nothing to do with my question
     
  8. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    you guys do not know what what you are talking about:thumbdown:

    1st parital is Bb below the staff (concert) or C (Bb pitch), what you said is utter BS thats low Bb (thats pedal tone)

    anyway that is not a theme, theme is that parital between F and Bb over the staf

    As far as I know there is nothing between F and Bb

    Besides I asked rowuk to explain, because he was the one that mentioned Ab, and he is the only one around here that I trust
     
  9. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    imagine a ladder, so every step on a ladder is a parital of that ladder

    there are few different ladders depending upon valve combination, thats how we play notes

    do you copy?
     
  10. seilogramp

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    I think my problem is in the explanation. I'm not very good at technical writing. Maybe this link would help explain it (maybe I need to read it again:oops:).

    Harmonic series (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Again, acording to the above, the first partial is the fundamental pitch, which is an octave below low Bb. And yes, it is also a pedal tone for a trumpet.
     

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