New way to improve range and tone quality!!

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by WHS_trumpetplayer, Feb 4, 2006.

  1. WHS_trumpetplayer

    WHS_trumpetplayer New Friend

    Feb 4, 2006
    Woodstock, GA
    I have recently discovered a way to improve my range considerably, and my tone quality. I am second chair in my high school's intermediate(which i rightfully should be 2nd chair in my top band, which i have been told by my band director) and my sister, who also plays trumpet, but is 3rd chair in the top band, and she also plays baritone in the beginning band. Well, for the past few weekends she has been bringing the baritone home and practicing, well, while she isn't, i practice it in my spare time. Well, let me say this, over these past two weekends, my range has shot up from me playing a high C with a full sound, to playing a G above that. And my tone quality has improved immensly, so to anyone who wishes to improve either, or both of these, i would try to find some way to get a hold of a baritone, and since the fingerings are the same, once you can center the concert Bb, you can play any scale you know, and anything you like. Then after practicing a part of a difficult song because of range or something, you take your trumpet and play the part, and you will immediatly know the differance.

    Well, I hope this can help anyone, and can have a better time playing. And if anyone has any more hints, please tell me, I am hoping to hit a super C by the end of my junior year.
  2. Manny Laureano

    Manny Laureano Utimate User

    Sep 29, 2004
    Do you have a cheese grater and a box of nails?

  3. sdhinote

    sdhinote Pianissimo User

    Feb 3, 2006
    Palm Desert

    Little wonder your range has improved. You have to put more air through the baritone and you are basically blowing pedal tones. I noticed this same thing with a friend of mine, Larry Merigillano, who played lead trumpet at Disneyland when Disney still believed that live music was entertainment instead of overblown puppets on floats. But I digress...

    His sound production and range both improved because he had to use his diaphragm to sustain a pitch on the baritone and instead of relying on a trumpet mouthpiece to help produce sound, he actually had to concentrate on his embouchure and facial muscles to get the notes out. Same theory with a valve trombone. It works for Maynard, so why not...

    But do you want to be a good baritone player or a good trumpet player? You can accomplish the same thing by doing breathing exercises (hatha yoga, jogging, long walks, hiking) and practicing out of methods that urge the use of pedal tones. (Stick with the trumpet. I don't recall any great baritone players....)
  4. eisprl

    eisprl Mezzo Piano User

    Sep 26, 2004
    Halifax, NS CANADA
    I say that if you want to work on a larger mouthpiece but still play the trumpet, then I suggest playing some flugel. You can hit the pedals much easier, it might be a little cheaper than a baritone, the mouthpiece is bigger and above all else, you are still technically playing on some sort of trumpet and the switch between the two is much easier than any low brass instrument.

    But I still agree with stcman and to just practice you trumpet, not the baritone. If you want to be a good trumpet player with the proper muscles built up, you need to work out those muscles!

  5. sdhinote

    sdhinote Pianissimo User

    Feb 3, 2006
    Palm Desert

    I fully agree with Eric. Make a lamp out of that baritone and stick with a real instrument!

    By the way, what the *#@&'s a "super C"??! Is it something like an "Awesome D"? :roll:

    Double-C maybe?
  6. dkelley

    dkelley New Friend

    Jan 16, 2006
    Give the guy a break.

    You guys are being pretty hard on WHS_trumpetplayer.

    It seems to me that playing baritone a little could help some people. Maybe just as a warm up or for a couple minute a day. It seems to me that the bigger mouthpiece/instrument could activate more of the muscles and encourage deeper breathing. For some it could help. For others it could be a disaster. If playing baritone for a few moments helps you play trumpet with a better perspective, I think it should not be discouraged. Don't be afraid to experiment!

    WHS_trumpetplayer, don't let the previous posters' condescending tone discourage you from posting. In a public forum like this, you'll just have to deal with that kind of person a lot.
  7. trickg

    trickg Utimate User

    Oct 26, 2003
    I used to do the same thing in high school, only I did it with the little alto horns, aka "peck horns" that our (French) horn players used to double on for marching when I was at the First US Army Band. The mouthpiece isn't quite as big as Trombone/Baritone mouthpiece, but it accomplished much the same thing. I would warm up on that prior to going out and playing in pep band and it seemed like I could just blow the walls down. (I mainly did this when I was a Freshman - I'm not sure why I stopped.)

    For sdhinote, a "Super C" is another way some people refer to the Double High C. I've also heard it referred to as a "Grand C", and some people simply shorten it to "dubba".

    WHS, this might be a good thing, but be careful not to over do it. My guess is that the reason it's helping is because out of necessity due to the fact that it's a much larger horn, your breathing and air support both had to improve a bit before you could get a full, steady, robust sound.
  8. mike ansberry

    mike ansberry Forte User

    Dec 30, 2003
    Clarksville, Tennessee, U
    I've been teaching band for 20 years. I sometimes switch a struggling trumpet player to baritone. The larger mouthpiece and bigger bore helps them learn to open up their sound and not pinch so much. After about a year I let them switch back if they want (sometimes the love the baritone). They are almost always a much better trumpet player. In fact, it has helped me. I used to play trombone in my school's jazz band when it was a small fledgling group. I found that the larger mouthpiece seemed to work the muscles of the embouchure further out from the mouth. It helped my range a bit.

    Don't let these guys get you down, WHS. Different strokes for different folks!
  9. dizforprez

    dizforprez Forte User

    Nov 2, 2003
    Come on guys, give him a break. I grew up not too far away from Woodstock and can tell you he doesn’t have some fine arts high school he can go too.


    It sounds like you don’t spend a lot of time on the trumpet or have a set routine to practice. I know it can be hard to find teachers in your area but it will ultimately be worth while if you want to really learn how to play the trumpet. Looking for gimmicks will only get you so far.
  10. Greg5850

    Greg5850 Pianissimo User

    Jan 10, 2004
    When Maynard played at my HS about 20 years ago, I gave him our ensemble room to warm up in. My office had a window to that room, and I watched and listened. Guess what he did first? yup-played the baritone. Nuff said.

    I find it helps my playing too. Bill Watrous (trombone artist) also practices trumpet! If it helps, its good, isn't it?


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