Nice flugelhorn

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by bumblebee, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

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    I thought the 4th valve was to be used instead of the 1-3 combination..yes?
    Let me quantify. .. the valves were solid.. fast.. I just had an issue because they didn't like me.
     
  2. bumblebee

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    Hi Dave,

    that was a good trip to The Horn Guys - first time ever playing a flugel horn - and now I've had a go in Oz, but I think I'd better find and play a few more (or the same few a few more times) before I know for sure. It'll be a few (or more) months yet before I can safely consider buying a new horn given I recently (and very unexpectedly) plonked my savings down for a Martin Handcraft Committee which came to my attention.

    I actually thought both the Adams and the B&S flugels sounded a bit "deeper trumpety" or "cornet-like" rather than "fluffy+mellow", but then I wasn't a practised flugel-player... I'm looking forward to tracking down a Kanstul, and perhaps trying the Yamaha 631G again.

    Last weekend I also had a brief go on a pBone plastic trombone. I sounded terrible using a trombone mouthpiece (which surprised me since I used to play euphonium 20+ years ago) but pretty good using my trumpet mouthpiece. This might be an indication I will have to unlearn a lot of things before I can be a proper judge of a new (for me) type of horn.

    --bumblebee
     
  3. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    Hey Bumblebee why not try a Yamaha 631G? Everybody has their own pet favorites, but if the 631G found you, then get one. Down the road you might find something else you like better, and making our own discoveries is way more fun than taking people's word about different horns.

    Have fun!
     
  4. bumblebee

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    Hi VB, well the 631G is certainly in front, but I've played only 4 models in total so far (tyranny of the small town where I live, far from a big city) and so I'll keep my powder dry for a little longer yet while I save up.

    --bumblebee
     
  5. TrumpetMD

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    Yes. The Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn 4th valve is equivalent to 1st + 3rd valve, and lowers the pitch by a perfect 4th.

    Mike
     
  6. edfitzvb

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    If you are looking for a French Horn sound, my Getzen 4 valve Eterna does a pretty good job (and I played French Horn for eight years in a local Symphony... it was my instrument of focus). WhenI use it in my church orchestra it sounds like my old Farkas model horn. Really. I use a 10 1/2 A flugel mouthpiece on it which is pretty similar to a horn mouthpiece. I would still like to own a nice French flugel like a Courtois somewhere down the road for a more precise and smaller sound. The Getzen has a trumpet bore of .460, and the flugel bore should be around .430 or lower for that traditional "flugel" sound. In the end, it is your money and your preferences which matter
     
  7. gmonady

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    D - 4 = 1,3
    Db - 4,2 = 1,2,3
    G - 4 = 0 (low G bridging to peddle tones)

    Then the bridging notes continues toward peddle tones where valve 4 is compressed with the usual fingerings
    Example: F - 1,4; E - 1,2,4; Eb - 2,3,4; D - 1,3,4; Db- 1,2,3,4

    Then C peddle tone is reached - 0
     
  8. trickg

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    Dave, that's pretty much it on the head - I had always given thought to re-doing that recording with a better setup as my home studio stuff progressed and got better (would LOVE to do a recording on a ribbon mic) but just never got to it, and the truth is, I wasn't really disappointed in how it sounded.

    Barliman, there is no way you could really reproduce the sound of that flugel on a trumpet. Maybe a cornet, but I doubt it - the bell isn't huge, but it's big, and it's 100% copper, which gave it a really dark, warm, mellow sound. Almost every other flugel I've played sounds brassy by comparison, but then again, I've never played on a Kanstul 1525 or a Conn V1 - I wouldn't ever go any more expensive than that considering that I don't really use the flugel as a solo instrument, and either of those would probably be overkill anyway.
     
  9. gmonady

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    Oh... but what a way to go!
     
  10. gmonady

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    Patrick. I agree that the list price on Kanstul's sight for the 1525 and 1526 is on the high end, but I was able to get this horn through an agent I met at a trumpet hang and saved quit a lot on the 1526, hundreds of dollars less than Musician's Friend discounted price. If you ever are back in the market for a 1525 or 6 PM me and I will put you in contact with the distributor based out of Cincinnati.
     

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