for the record ... i heard gmonady 'live' 2 years ago playing the getzen 4v on a super slow tune, and can say without ANY doubt, it was the absolute best flugel sound i have ever enjoyed in my life. i was stunned by it = that good. of course, player, mouthpiece, setting, etc. all combined for this perfect moment ... so it was more than 'just the horn'. i'm not sure i've heard him on the kanstul, as that is a more recent acquisition, but it is my understanding that those 2 have more similar qualities than just the number of valves. i need to hear him play both and want to personally play both myself ... this thread just reminded me. thanx.