Note Names - Doubles and Triples

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Rich Wetzel, Aug 17, 2009.

  1. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    Parts Unknown
    Nomenclature is tough. As an example, I played in a Trompetenensemble, where (although speaking German) we didn’t speak the same language: Playing a Bach piece for trumpet in D on A piccolos, I would refer to concert pitch, (D) another in written pitch (C) and the third on the button he pressed (F).

    In the language of musicologists (Musikwissenschaflter, or “music scientist” in German) a double c (C5) would be the lowest note of a “double c major scale.” In concert pitch (in German) it is a B4.

    In this sense, the G below the staff would be considered a “pedal g” (G1) since our “pedal c” is C1.

    Weird enough?

    Nobody I know, however, refers to the g below the staff (below two ledger lines, fingered 13 (with 3rd valve slide on my Schilke) as a “pedal g.” Everyone I know calls it a “low g.” Going from there, an octave above “low g” would be “g,” an octave above that “high g,” an octave above that “double g” which is then an octave too low for the musicologists, but logical if we consider the g below the staff to be “low” rather than “pedal.”

    Of course the musicologists are correct, because they are scientists. Artists don’t count.

    Weird stuff.
  2. Al Innella

    Al Innella Forte User

    Aug 9, 2007
    Levittown , NY
    A lot of the confusion comes from people who double piano and trumpet , where the middle C on the piano is the C between the F and G clefs, but this is a trumpet web site so it should deal with the range of the trumpet and not other instruments.
  3. Bflatman

    Bflatman Forte User

    Nov 27, 2008
    Manchester, England
    Thanks for clarifying this for me, I was about to post about when doubles and trebles start, I assumed it to be on C, I am glad I was right.

    One reason for my uncertainty is that I read in an old post that a trumpeter claimed that a respected player and teacher used to play triple A's easily during performances.

    Surely this cant be right, that would be just a few semitones below quad A.

    You can see my confusion, and by the way is it likely that triple A is blowable with such ease, it seems freakishly high to me but Im just a beginner so Im guessing here.


  4. lakerjazz

    lakerjazz Mezzo Piano User

    Oct 10, 2006
    Based on one of the previous posts, high is anything above the staff and low is anything below the staff. This is a logical way to approach this problem. Still, however, we would have two reference notes: G above the staff and C below, so it is easy to understand why there is so much confusion. Though I personally agree with the OP where the double g is the g above the g that is above the staff.

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