Olds serial numbers?

Discussion in 'Vintage Trumpets / Cornets' started by screamingmorris, May 17, 2008.

  1. benny4540

    benny4540 New Friend

    Feb 17, 2008
    50's vs. 60's...

    After two years of playing a King Cleveland (comebacker) I want to upgrade and get an Ambassador...because no other horn in that reasonable price range of less than $300 say is mentioned so often as being a great player...

    so, I want to confirm that, I guess...The ambassador, I will notice immediately the improvement? I'm a decent player with good tone and range and all that, for context...

    then, are the ambassador horns from the 50's better/different than the 60's? I will not purchase anything from 1970 and newer, in my mind, cause the quality started dropping?
  2. A.N.A. Mendez

    A.N.A. Mendez Utimate User

    Oct 25, 2005
    Sunny Ca.
    I wouldn't worry about it. My stock advice is to get two of them off ebay, keep the one that works for you the best, sell the other one. Don't forget the "Special" models which are more like the super than the Ambassador and are a great value. Good luck!
  3. jbkirby

    jbkirby Forte User

    Sep 10, 2009
    Dothan, Alabama
    I picked up a 1967 Olds Ambassador Trumpet on eBay last week for $57.99 in the original case and am awaiting shipment. Unfortunately, it was returned to the sellor due to a torn shipping label (rats! :-(). It has been re-shipped, and I am looking forward to using it as a daily practice horn.
  4. Darthsunshine

    Darthsunshine Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 19, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    I like my 1951 LA Ambassador cornet better than my 1959 Fullerton. That said, I also have a King Cleveland cornet, and I have to say that if you're looking for immediate and obvious improvement, you won't find it just by switching over to an Ambassador. Yes, I think the Ambassadors are better than the King Clevelands. However, and I don't want to start a riot, but the difference is simply not that big. Still, if you want to buy an Ambassador just to have one, that's good enough reason to do so!
  5. benny4540

    benny4540 New Friend

    Feb 17, 2008
    NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I want to get much better, much faster, just by spending a little money and not working any harder this is still America.

    Let me ask this a different way...Will I, in everyone's opinion, notice the difference in sound if I pull the my mouthpiece out of the King Cleveland and then play the Ambassador. What, in anyone's opinion, might i notice? totally subjective speculative possibilities welcome! In truth I'm just barely beginning to enter the trumpet world where different mouthpiece and horns and era's et al are significant enough to generate opinions and passions around them. When I was in College I just played what they told me to play I had no interest in creating my own "sound" or how you might go about it...so this is pretty fun actually getting back into it and reaching back thru the decades to different times and pulling an instrument forward to see what happens...
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  6. ComeBackKid

    ComeBackKid Fortissimo User

    May 11, 2009
    Yorba Linda, CA
    OK, I will take a stab at this. As my signature indicates, I have several (!) Ambassadors as well as a King Cleveland (both trumpet and cornet). I started playing 55 years ago but only re-started 6 months ago after a 35 year layoff. I can say that after 6 months of steady practice, I am only now beginning to hear the difference in sound between different models. Actually, the difference is sound on any trumpet between the start of one of my practice sessions and the end of the session is much greater than the difference between two different makes (or different mouthpieces) according to my ears. Of course, your ears may be much better than mine and you may be able to tell the difference but if you are just starting, it really should not matter much. There is plenty of time to start tailoring your sound as you develop the basic skills. According to the 'real' players here, the sound is much more related to the player than it is to the horn/mouthpiece anyway (they call it "software" vs "hardware").

    Aside from the fact that I have a nostalgic connection to Olds horns (I started on one in 1955), I find that the Olds are virtually indestructible - especially the valves. I have never seen an Olds with bad valves. Since they are not being made anymore, I just like to make sure I have a good personal collection. But, I do like my King Cleveland a lot. It is like brand new and I play it regularly, too.
  7. alcamus06

    alcamus06 New Friend

    May 24, 2010
    Hi i need help!
    OLDS AMBASSADOR TRUMPET serial number 4827XX
    and skill level please?Thank you.
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2010
  8. MFfan

    MFfan Fortissimo User

    Sep 13, 2006
    Kalamazoo, Michigan
    It is from 64-65. The Ambassador was marketed as a student horn, as is evident by all the posts. Your skill level will determine what you get out of it.
  9. amzi

    amzi Forte User

    Feb 18, 2010
    Northern California
    The Ambassador was a least expensive of the Old's instruments. They were built to withstand the rigors of being used by a beginning student. The quality of the build was excellent, many believe the quality of the build is equal to or better than professional horns being built today. It has medium large bore and were know for having great valve action (nickel plated). The LA horns are often considered superior to the Fullerton built horns. Because of their build quality and the tone they produce many play the Ambassador as a primary or secondary horn. If you're going to own an Olds trumpet you should really look at Olds Central (just Google it).
  10. alcamus06

    alcamus06 New Friend

    May 24, 2010
    Hi , i win on ebay an Old Ambassador trumpet with serial 3562xx. (86 $)
    We know age ? skill level? thank you

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