Over Practicing ?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by robeebee, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. robeebee

    robeebee Pianissimo User

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    Probably gunna answer my own question here

    Been hitting it pretty hard lately, a 50 minute session before work

    Then 3 hours after work with a band rehearsal once a week , after which I'm toast

    The day after rehearsal I only play long tones and some lip flexibility stuff

    Every week I feel I go backwards for a while then there is some progress

    This week however I've hit a wall, everything feels off

    Should I work through it and get stronger again or take a day or two off?
     
  2. gmonady

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    Work up to it, but do NOT TAKE DAYs off. Basic muscle physiolgy NEEDS daily activity to keep from loosing memory from the day before. If you can work up from 50 minutes to 90 minutes at one shot, by increasing rehearsal time each week by 20%, then when reaching he 90 minute threshold, should hold you for band rehearsals where you have time off between time on over a three hour period.

    From my experience, I find that a once a day 90 minute rehearsal time affords me the stamina to make it through a 3.5 hour rehersal day (like my Mondays) AND two 4 hour gig dates on weekends. Anything less than a 90 minute session on days I am not gigging or in rehearsals and I begin to loose my oomph when playing extended times with rehearsing bands and playing back to back extensive gigs.
     
  3. JNINWI

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    Robeebee, I don’t think it is a problem at all to put this kind of time on the horn, Lord knows I do more often than not. Although you may need a rest period. Chop muscles are like every other muscle, when you give it a really hard workout, it needs a few days to repair itself. Sounds like a bit of fatigue to me. Take two days, play for about an hour each day, long tones as soft as you can and stay below a “G” in the staff, pedal tones are even better. You should be fine by the third day….. This is how I handle chop fatigue and it works well for me. Good luck !
    I agree with Gmonady...90 minutes a day keeps me at peak performance....
     
  4. robeebee

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    Would the change to a large bore horn have an effect?

    I've just changed this week
     
  5. gmonady

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    That depends on the efficiency of the horn AS WELL AS the ability of the amplitude of the sound wave leaving the mouthpiece bore as being optimized at the point it enters the leadpipe. You can play for ever on a large bore Harrelson trumpet just by vertue of the Harrelson horns optimizing the energy of the wave form generated at the leadpipe up to the point where the sound enters the bell.

    Also, I stronly believe that if you can optimize the sound wave amplitude at the entry of the leadpipe, you have created in so doing the maximum energy with the minimal effort which is more influencial on stamina than the bore characteristics of the horn.
     
  6. robeebee

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    I'll be fitting a Harrelson SWE trim kit and gap adjustment shim soon
     
  7. gmonady

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    I believe you should find some benefit from doing this.
     
  8. kingtrumpet

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    have you tried icing your lips after practices ---- then massage them (ice to keep swelling down, and massage to get the blood flowing) --- also another thing, that I find which helps me is to take "anti-inflammatories" to reduce the swelling. ------------------ I know you didn't actually say -- SWELLING, but perhaps that is some of the problem --- just saying
     
  9. Vulgano Brother

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    I'm a fan of taking a day off when really attacking the horn. A sabbath of sorts, maybe only a light warm up, but the idea is to give the chops a bit of time to recover. Trumpet exercises aren't exactly like bodybuilding but I like to think of repetitions 1-5 as building bulk, 5-15 strength, and beyond as endurance. (I will bow to one of our tame doctors to blow my model out of the water and give a better one.)

    I would suggest playing a bunch of low Clarke Studies over and over and over again until and past the point that the chops tingle. That tingle is what we want to feel after playing, and represents blood flowing through our chops, and it cleans out the poisons and feed the muscle. Again, I'll bow to our tame doctors on this.
     
  10. TrumpetMD

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    I had a double gig on Saturday. By midnight, I was toast. I didn't play the horn at all on Sunday. Today (Monday), I feel great.

    Often it's not the initial injury that does us in. It's the secondary injury we cause by not resting after the initial injury.

    I think Gary and Vulgano are right -- play lightly on recovery days. But at the same time, I have no problem skipping a day after extenuating circumstances.

    Mike
     

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