Pencil Exercise / emboucher exercises

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  1. anthony

    anthony Mezzo Piano User

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    Hi I was wondering could too much pencil exercise and/or emboucher exercises can they hurt your playing if
    done in excess ?Rowke?
     
  2. J. Jericho

    J. Jericho Fortissimo User

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    Find a way to spend the time playing instead. That way you're not simulating, you're doing.
     
  3. bumblebee

    bumblebee Fortissimo User

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    Since you asked in another thread about Pops McLaughlin, I wondered if your question was prompted by what you read on his website? Other TMers have asked about this and you might find those threads interesting:

    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/f131/pencil-technique-60917.html

    ...and I posted this in another thread:
    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/f131/pencil-excercise-mouthpiece-exercise-76925-3.html#post760675

    So the simple answer to your question I think is Yes, you can overdo it, so be careful. I believe Rowuk said something about probably not needing/wanting a six-pack on your face, but I can't find a post from him saying this which is answering a question about the pencil.

    --bumblebee
     
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  4. A.N.A. Mendez

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    Bub Brisbois used to do that, on the edge of his hotel bed, laying on his back..... With the small end of his mouthpiece instead of a pencil... Guy was a monster..... I never got to the regular pencil from the golf shorty! :-?
     
  5. Ed Lee

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    If you are simulating playing while doing the "pencil" exercise, you are not doing the exercise correctly and IMO your practice playing isn't good either.
     
  6. gmonady

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    You of course refer to a No. 2 (medium bore) rather than a No. 1 (large bore) pencil.
     
  7. gmonady

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    Not sure if it would "hurt" your playing, but rather you could be "lead" astray.
     
  8. Jerry Freedman

    Jerry Freedman Piano User

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    Buzzing can be a great exercise and, like a lot of stuff can be overdone. More than 4 minutes a day and you lose effectiveness. Check in with Pops McClaughlin. He has a bool on it and (thread here about him) and he can explain this better
     
  9. anthony

    anthony Mezzo Piano User

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    What the h#+ are you talking about
     
  10. Ed Lee

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    The "pencil" exercise is a "isometric" (USAF word)/ "dynamic" (Charles Atlas word) or karate type lip/facial muscle developer. It is one-half of the exercises that can be utilized with P.E.T.E. marketed by Warburton to help develop a firm/controlled embouchure. Sure, like all exercises, such can be overdone and bring on fatigue. Personally, I utilize P.E.T.E. as part of my regimen in preparation to practice/play. It would be impossible to practice/play with proficiency when you've a pencil in your mouth IMO.
     

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