Piccolo advice please: Scherzer & Selmer

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  1. X3Lb

    X3Lb Pianissimo User

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    Hi Guys
    I'm anew member andimpressed by the advice seen while viewing as aguest.(For some reason my keyboard wo't let me correct typo's and I have no cursopr while typing, so excuse any falts).

    I have a Yamaha custom 9830 and I am considering adding another picc to give a more mellow colur tone. I have looked at what individuals say about their own instruments Scherzer and Selmer.

    The cour tone (colour) of the Maurice Andre is what I wold like to develop more. I know he used the 67 Selmer Picc for many recordings but I have heard conflicting opinions on its intonation.

    If I went for the Scherzer with standard bell would I get this same quality of tonal colour.?

    What advice do you have regarding R/H 4th valve operation + L/H tuning spatula versus L/H 4th valve operation, therefore no tuning spatula.?

    If you have both Scherzer and Selmer it will be interesting.

    Look forward to your views, thanks.
     
  2. abtrumpet

    abtrumpet Pianissimo User

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    The only one I've ever played is a Shilke, but it felt very good. You should check them out.
     
  3. X3Lb

    X3Lb Pianissimo User

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    Thanks,

    I have the Schilke X3L b and E3L which I really like, but at the time I purchased my Yam 9830 (6 years ago) the Schilke P5 was outside my budget.

    At the moment I feel the differences between 9830 and P5 4 would possibly not add the extra tonal colour, so that was why I was considering the Scherzer or Selmer as a second Picc.

    I'm very interested to hear all views to broaden the picture.
     
  4. kadleck

    kadleck Artist in Residence Staff Member

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    Personally, I think that the Scherzer has a nice dark, warm sound. But I've also heard players who sound dark on Yamahas. I don't have much experience with Selmers.

    Good luck -
    Tony
     
  5. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    I retired my Selmer when I bought my Scherzer--it sits about half way between the Schilcke intonation, response and Selmer sound: The Scherzer is more in tune than the Selmer but has more weight to the sound than a Schilke. I've been able to rattle church windows with it in Germany (insert evil laugh)!

    Even have made a number of violists jump at some of those "PANG" moments in
    Bach cantatas (insert evil laugh again).

    Hope this helps.
     
  6. X3Lb

    X3Lb Pianissimo User

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    Thanks Tony

    I know Piccs can be a potential minefield.
    Do you know if there is much difference with the Sterling Silver bell option on the Scherzer please.
     
  7. X3Lb

    X3Lb Pianissimo User

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    Thanks Vulgano

    So would you say there is little value in adding a Selmer rather than a Scherzer.?

    Any experience or thoughts on the Sterling bell option and the Left or Right hand 4th valve operation please ?
     
  8. Sterling

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    I have a Schilke p5-4 and a Scherzer sterling bell pic. The scherzer works better for me in small ensembles and with vocal soloists. The Schilke is a bit more sterile sounding and easier to play in tune for me
     
  9. tpetplyr

    tpetplyr Pianissimo User

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    The Scherzer should be more different from your Yamaha than the Selmer will, and as a bonus should play more in tune than the Selmer. If you're going for contrast, I would definitely pick the Scherzer. Not only will the sound be different, but the other playing characteristics - response, articulation, etc - will be as well.

    Stuart
     
  10. X3Lb

    X3Lb Pianissimo User

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    Thanks Sterling

    What are your views on the layout of the valve keys?

    Do you have any problems adjusting to operating the 4th valve with your pinky finger or £rd slide tuning. Appreciate your feedback.
     

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