Playing "In the Red" With Big Lips

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  1. wiseone2

    wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Staff Member

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    Please read this post carefully!
     
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    wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Staff Member

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    Thanks for posting. He IS my favorite (next to you of course). I would give anything to have a "sound" like his.

    In relation to your comment "chops like these" is this in relation to robust lips or playing in the red, as I was unaware the Lee had a problem with playing in the red? Thanks for the clarification.
     
  4. wiseone2

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    Lee rolled his lips, as did many players of color. I played duets with Lee when we were youngsters in Philly. He did not play on the red.
     
  5. wilktone

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    Lee does appear to have been a "low placement type" embouchure. In this particular photograph it does look like he placed on the red of his upper lip at that particular moment, at least.

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    Bah, I don't know if this image is going to display properly. Here's a direct link:

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  6. tobylou8

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    For the poster, here's a link to John Storks website. He has been making mouthpieces for 35+ years (Giardinelli (the old good ones) and his own brand). I will not even attempt to wade into the pedagogical aspects of this thread. I used this when I started playing again after after a 25+ year hiatus.

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    William Vachiano had a hope and desire that one day, teachers would have the knowledge and information to "size" a player to a better working mpc.. Obviously we aren't very close to that when the thread devolved into flamethrowing (so it seemed) and mpc size is irrelevant. My take, your mpc may simply be too small for your lips. I am with the wiseone on not playing in the red.
    John Stork has attempted to put information together to help the the uninformed novice make a critical decision regarding mpc selection. Much of what is posted so far seems to be "my way is better than you way". While my info is purely anecdotal, it worked for me and I am happy.
     
  7. tobylou8

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    Thats a nice shot of Lee playing! But as you said, that's just at that moment. On occasion I've placed my horn in a different location, but I always go back to my regular set-up.
     
  8. wilktone

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    Many players do, but that seems to be pretty much where Morgan placed the mouthpiece while playing. Again, at least at the time this video was filmed. I don't know how he played before he was filmed.

    Lee Morgan with John Gilmore "Theme For Stacy" - YouTube
     
  9. tobylou8

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    That's a nice video. I've looked at a couple others and he definitely plays with very little top lip, but it does look like he rolled them in.
     
  10. coolerdave

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    just in case anyone glossed over this
     

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