please don't laugh .. how do you empty the "spit" without a 3rd valve water key

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  1. Peter McNeill

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    I must admit that it has always been a strange thing that the Strad has to be emptied this way. Imagine a Marching Band scenario, and fidling with taking the bottom section off the 3rd slide. How many times have you guys dropped or had the section slip when doing this?
    I have lost count. I do like the Strads, but find this manouvre a complete mystery.

    I have a set of Saturn valves on one of my Bach Strads (37 L Bore), and they work a treat.

    You'd think that this design would have been fixed a long time ago....
     
  2. coolerdave

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    It was probably done with the orchestral player in mind ... something to do during 200 bars of rest
     
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    Try soaking the slide (inside and out...fill up the tubes) with PB Blaster penetrating oil and let it sit for at least a week. Then loop a piece of cloth through the slide and see if it moves at all. If it doesn't, then I usually take it to my brass tech. The dump slides on all of my Olds horns were stuck solid. This technique worked rather well. I have a 1930 Olds Standard that I'm currently trying to loosen the dump slide. Be patient.
     
  4. rowuk

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    A Yamaha Xeno, Harrelson or Monette are examples of tension optimized instruments. What I meant is that the artisan pays attention to the temper, weight and fit of every single piece to optimize the resonant behaviour.

    The reason that no water keys are there on the Bach is because the marketing people think that pros don't want them there - for performance reasons. Another example of the tail wagging the dog.......................
     
  5. Phil986

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    Easy way to empty your horn that is also a breathing exercise of sorts: with horn warm, take mouthpiece off, blow in the receiver as fast a flow as you can while holding the horn first pointing up then down. You'll see a bunch of water coming out of the bell. Do it with the 3rd valve pressed down, more water, your 3rd slide is emptied. You can do it with the 2nd and 1st valve too, you'll get less water.
     
  6. Dale Proctor

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    That sounds good to the audience during a soft part of a concert, or between pieces...:D

    If the dump slide bothers you (and it did me, especially with the lack of bell clearance on the cornet), put a spit valve of some sort on the 3rd slide. Forget to voodoo aspect...your horn will still play fine.

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  7. Peter McNeill

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  9. coolerdave

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    @Stuart... I don't read German... but I bet it is cool ... I think
    @Robin ... are trumpet conversions and example if tension optimized instruments... getting rid of bracing .. changing lead pipes .. tuning the horn etc?
     
  10. Peter McNeill

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    :cool: Hi Stuart,
    Is that the Musicmesse Joy-stick: sounds like a good way to clean up the mess :D
     

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