Practice on Picc.

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Tom Mac, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. Tom Mac

    Tom Mac Pianissimo User

    Mar 11, 2007
    Nashville Tennessee
    In order to minmize the time needed in initial preparation of a piece on Piccalo trumpet, I practice the music on a Bb or C (playing the same transposition as if I were playing the Picc.). Does anyone else use this practice technique? Are there any thoughts regarding pros and cons.

    T. Mac
  2. Principaltrumpet

    Principaltrumpet Pianissimo User

    Nov 7, 2006
    north texas
    I use two books written by vacchiano called Etudes for Eb and Picc. They are published by my teacher who owns a company called Alphia Publishing. I think they are only 12 bucks a piece (2 vol.) They start out with simple songs and progress to harder etudes. If you would like more info on them just let me know.
    So maybe I should read your whole post b4 I reply. Sorry that my initial answer is nothing like your question...but theres info if you wanna use it....
    But I do the same thing...I find it difficult to practice for a long period of time in the upper register, so I work on that another time. (Using the books I mentioned) When I am working on a piece, in order to get down fingerings and such I play it on C and make read it as if I was holding a picc. It has always worked for me.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2007
  3. TheRiddler

    TheRiddler Pianissimo User

    Oct 8, 2006
    Cichowicz was all about this - it is a great method of practice... this way you really learn the tune/music before you put it on the picc. Cichowicz's method was to learn it on the Bb, then play it on C, then Eb, etc... up to the picc.... this works great for me.
  4. Jon Kratzer

    Jon Kratzer Pianissimo User

    Nov 27, 2003
    Oklahoma City, OK
    This is a great method, but remember not to neglect your Piccolo, because they are entirely different beasts. You also need to get the song in your head. If you don't hear the right it can be a disaster. Getting the piccolo in tune and with the right ammount of finness is crucial to success.

    I wish you the best of luck.

  5. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

    Nov 16, 2005
    Vidin, Bulgaria
    That's exactly was Maurice Andre doing, but he would still use the piccolo mouthpiece on the b flat (obviously is better to have an adapter if your piccolo has a cornet mouthpiece reciever). The main advantage of this (according to Andre) is that after that one would have a biiger sound on the picc.
  6. Tom Mac

    Tom Mac Pianissimo User

    Mar 11, 2007
    Nashville Tennessee
    Thanks for your thoughts. I sorta stumbled on this method after beating myself up on the Picc one day. Jon, you are absolutly on the money about the two horns being different especially in the area of intonation. I am currently working on a piece I performed in college (circa 1968). It is the Sinfonia Con Tromba by Giuseppi Torelli (sp?). I played the piece on a D trpt since nobody had a picc. (not even my instructor). The only recording I have is by Wynton Marsellas (sp?). I like his ornimentation and I am kind of picking and choosing which ornaments to apply. Are there any thoughts about his performance and the ornaments he applies? Also, are there other recordings of this piece I should seek out?

    T. Mac
  7. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

    Nov 16, 2005
    Vidin, Bulgaria
    I would not say that Marsalis is an example to follow as far as historic interpretation is concerned. Don't get me wrong - Marsalsi si an awesome trumpeter adn as far as sound and articulations he is amazing. But sometimes he tends top play things wich are difficult or next to impossible on the baroque trumpet and other times even inappropriate. I would reccomend you Niklas Eklund and his CD series The Art of the Baroque Trumpet (5 volumes) I bet that you will find your Torelli there and he is really a period music specialist, which means that he is aware of what is doing, why he is doing and he is doing it very nicely. These recordings are made on natural trumpet, so the sounds is different, but you can get quite few ideas on interpretation from.
  8. GordonH

    GordonH Mezzo Forte User

    May 15, 2005
    Playing on a Bb using the same fingering is good for practicing the difficult bits.

    Another technique I use is to practice the piece in the correct pitch on a bigger trumpet on the basis that if I can almost do it that way then it will feel a lot easier on piccolo.
  9. Alex Yates

    Alex Yates Forte User

    Aug 11, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    I use this method very often for all kinds of things. Trumpet cross-training of sorts.

    As far as actually practicing piccolo, playing short, easy etudes like the Getchells, as written or transposed, is a good way to learn your way around the "little beast". ;-)
  10. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    If you need to work out the fingerings, the big trumpet helps. Phrasing, articulation and sound concept are soooooooooooo different that you can't save much time there! Just pick it up every day and use about a third of your practice time (in the middle - make sure you play the big horn again at the end to relieve tension!).

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