Pressure related maladies

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  1. jim miller

    jim miller Pianissimo User

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    It was pointed out to me by a reliable teacher that trumpet players over the years have suffered an inordinate amount of pressure related maladies such as rupture. Does anyone have any information on the danger/advisability of striving for extreme range as we age? Thanks jim
     
  2. rowuk

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    SOME trumpet players over did it. There is no correlation between range and any problems.

    If we have been keeping a decent practice routine, range becomes easier with age. If we are trying to learn to play high after 50, we just need to bring more time with us. It has something to do with teaching an old dog new tricks. Habits take longer to break after many years of playing, so fixing something broken will not happen overnight.
     
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    LOVE this comment, rowuk!

     
  4. RobertSlotte

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    non what so ever :lol:
     
  5. Solar Bell

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    WHat is he refering too?

    Pressure on the lips or internal pressure in the head or body?

    Lip ruptures or or hernia type?


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  6. rowuk

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    LOVE this comment, rowuk!

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    There is no correlation between range and any problems.


    Problems don't have to do with range,
    they have to do with the heads of players that haven't paid their dues to get the range. Let's not blame the wrong thing!

    Maynards hernia(s) was (were) not an automatic product of his range, they were a product of excessive behaviour.

    We can drown on a glass of wine. That would give some a reason to theorize why wine is bad for you.
     
  7. jim miller

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    the teacher I refered to was speaking about hernia, not lip ruptures. I personally was concered about stroke possibilities. Thanks everyone!! jim
     
  8. rowuk

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    Jim,
    our bodies tell us what is good and not good if we do not beat them into submission. If you have a good routine, and work hard, you will get there without wiping yourself out. Slurs, long tones and soft practice work wonders with little or no risk.
     
  9. Harald

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    There is a scientific study in tuba players (Elghozi et al., Clin Auton Res, 18:96-104, 2008) that demonstrates that systolic blood pressure can increase by up to 50 mmHg at the beginning and at the end of playing a high note. While holding the high note blood pressure actually drops (trumpeters have been reported to faint while holding a long high note). This is because the veins transporting blood back to the heart are occluded due to the high pressure in the thoracic cavity. If no blood flows into the heart none can come out and blood pressure falls. However, at the beginning and at the end of a high note blood pressure can increase to dangerously high levels (increase by 50 mmHg). This sudden increase in pressure can rupture blood vessels in the brain and cause hemorrhagic stroke. Furtunately this is rare.

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    Harald
     
  10. rowuk

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    There is no reason to tense up like that. Granted, there are players not playing correctly, we just haven't found a way to give them saxophones over the internet.

    If you have a blood pressure issue when playing, you need a new teacher that cares enough to get your playing sorted out.
     

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