Problem with frail lips - I try to take it easy, but it's not helping much

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Haste2, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. SteveRicks

    SteveRicks Fortissimo User

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    Please know this is what I was told from my former dentist who was also a brass player. I'm sure some other dentists that post here may correct me -just posting what I was told. Whenever you have teeth removed, it creates empty space in the gum. Over time, teeth can slowly "reset" their location. And, depending on how much you play and with how much pressure, it can be like putting braces on your teeth. they can actually be moved.

    I'm a player that has always used too much pressure -as I am sure many of us do. 25 years ago when I stopped playing for a number of years, my dentist noticed I suddenly started getting cavities where I hadn't had them for years. Teeth moved a little from no longer being under pressure -exposing areas not previously exposed.

    Again, just telling you what the dentist told me. But, I can clearly understand how a person that plays 4-5 hours a day (as I once did) could have teeth moved to a different position than where they were without playing.

    Apparently this isn't your issue. Was just tossing out a possibility.
     
  2. Anonymousiv

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    Removal of wisdom teeth can make a difference--your other teeth will move without the 3rd molars pushing them forward.

    But as far as mouthpieces go, I'm not sure how large a Monette B2 is, but I always found Shilke mouthpieces to be extremely comfortable. A Schilke 13C4 might be a nice mouthpiece to try.
     
  3. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

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    I agree that choice of a physician is vital. An oral facial surgeon would be preferred over a generalist. I am attaching a link that may give you some background as to how such a condition presents and can be approached. The question of insurance is a valid one, and the initial consult may require you to pay out of pocket. This all weighs in to how important these continued symptoms may be to you and your playing preference. Let me know if this is helpful (and don't let the fact that the physician discussing this case is in Spain, I am certain a good oral-facial surgeon in an area close to where you live may be found).

    Here is the link:
    Rupture of the Orbicularis Oris in Trumpet Players (Satchmo's Syndrome)
     
  4. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

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    that is an excellent article .. thanks for posting
     
  5. Haste2

    Haste2 Piano User

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    I don't think I ever mentioned how my lips LOOK. Anyway, my upper lip always gets these really small bumps after I play, at about the spot where I place my mouthpiece. And, if I play too long and hard that day my lips start to turn red/purple like a sore, in the areas of my upper lip -surrounding- the bumps.

    Thanks again for the advice already, and if this info gives any of you docs any more ideas, great.
     
  6. coolerdave

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    it would be cool if it was just an allergic reaction ... plastic mouthpiece test as was earlier suggested .. and a doctor
     
  7. gmonady

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    Coolerdave brings up a good point, and a proof of concept you could do to test his theory is try getting a wood trumpet mouthpiece, wax it as rowuk suggests in the wood mouthpiece post, and give this a try.

    OR if you find a physician for a consult (that I still recommend doing this sooner than later) and play on the mouthpiece just before your office visit, this would help the physician specialist very much in considering the possibility of an allergic reaction in the differential diagnosis at the first visit.
     
  8. Haste2

    Haste2 Piano User

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    Or rather I mean to say that the "sores" are to the left and right of the little bumps, not completely surrounding it.

    I wasn't allergic to my tarnished B2 monette mouthpiece in past years.... are you saying I could have become allergic to it recently due to suddenly playing on it a lot? Do you think switching to a silver mouthpiece would solve it? Or do I need to use the wood mouthpiece to test this theory?
     
  9. coolerdave

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    wow.. you might be on to something Haste2
    It could anything.. change in valve oils ...
     
  10. veery715

    veery715 Utimate User

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    Gold doesn' t tarnish. If your B2 is discolored it may have worn through the plating, exposing you to raw brass, which can cause real problems. You can buy a cheap Kelly mouthpiece in a similar size. They are Lexan (plastic) and usually won't cause any reaction, and they are inexpensive.
     

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