Problems on playing Ad!!

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by shezza, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. shezza

    shezza New Friend

    Nov 27, 2010
    Arnold Notts.
    Hi all, I am a newbie to the tumpet/cornet and can play a few songs, But this may sound stupid I cant play Ad the way it should be with 2 & 3 valves. But when I press valve 1 I get a good Ad any ideas please....................Pete.
  2. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

    May 7, 2011
    what is an "Ad" ?? do you mean A-Flat??

    Which register?? Just above the staff??
  3. Al Innella

    Al Innella Forte User

    Aug 9, 2007
    Levittown , NY
    Hi shezza,

    The trumpet is pitched in Bb,not C like piano or guitar ,so it sounds a full tone lower than concert pithch. A written C will sound Bb,a written Bb will sound Ab and a written Ab will sound Gb. That's why 1st valve sounds right to you,it's really a written Bb you're playing but it sounds concert Ab.
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  4. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

    May 7, 2011
    yep, I'll bet that is what the OP means...

    Trying to play Bb Trumpet to match a piano or some other C instrument.
  5. mrsemman

    mrsemman Piano User

    Apr 8, 2010

    I do believe that you meant to say A flat. Since you are a beginner, I would doubt that the note is above the staff. Regardless, If you can play an A natural (second space up in the staff), then an A flat is a half step or half tone down. the fingering for an A natural is the first and second valves down. The fingering for an A flat is, like you wrote, second and third vales down. The first valve down in that range would be a B flat or A sharp. If you believe that the first valve down sounds like an A flat, then you might want to check the tuning of your horn. There are some good ear trainers online to check, and which would give you a better idea of what the notes of a scale sound like. Like any other activity, practice helps.

    Good luck.
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2011
  6. SteveB

    SteveB Mezzo Piano User

    Nov 15, 2008
    Prescott Valley, AZ
    I solved that problem by having my piano re-tuned.
  7. turtlejimmy

    turtlejimmy Utimate User

    Jun 6, 2010

    Did you really do that??? I think it's a great idea. I mean, who's idea was it to tune the piano to C in the first place???? That's just old thinking ...... we're in the modern age now and it should be a Bb Age!:lol:

    Or ....... "Sorry about the piano, but we're a Bb household."

  8. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    Re-tuning a C piano to Bb may not be possible with all pianos. I remain skeptical if any can truly be. The lowest white note on an 88 keyboard is an A on a C piano, and you want to raise it to a B. Thence all you did is throw away the A and now the first black key is useless whereas there is no B# or Cb, and so it goes throughout the remaining keys. I am not saying a piano could not be manufactured in Bb, but ... if I had a C piano ... any tuner who tells me he/she can do it would be immediately told to leave ... if necessary prodded out the door by the point of a gun barrel (all my firearms are loaded).

    What I propose is that anyone who wants this just to "re-tune" their brain to transpose C music to Bb or vice versa. Otherwise, precise tuning a Bb or even other C instruments to that of a piano is about the riskiest method I know of.
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2011
  9. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

    May 7, 2011
    I think he was joking!

    But, ought to be easy enough with a digital piano, such as a Casio or Yamaha!
  10. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    Joke or NOT, some who read such will think it possible and ruin a good C piano. However, I know the OP who suggested such is a bit of a prankster.

    I'm certainly no electronic wiz and would not be about to mess with my li'l Yammy 66 key, but methinks re-arranging the sound chips just ain't gonna do it, whereas a Bb chip will still be two semi-tones lower than that for a Bb trumpet and you'd have to replace it with a C chip and again it is the question of the right key type in the right place, then anyway you want to play it ... it will still sound like a piano. Bah humbug!

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