Range Developement

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Bad Luck Lux, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

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    Now it is that I forknew what it was, that you know about the words that have NO difference in sound. So you know, you knewingly now know the difference between NO and KNOW is a priceless thing. You now know what I am saying GM? ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
     
  2. gmonady

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    Do YOU know what you're saying Herr Slushmeister?
     
  3. kingtrumpet

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    I now Know what no is - you Know? ROFL ROFL ROFL
     
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    I know that this range stuff is major BS.

    Not everyone CAN or will EVER be able to play serious high notes. The same factors that keep the average joe from being a successful swimmer, football player, marathon runner, reliable wife or husband, good teacher or pastor, politician or even president also apply to the trumpet. The major points are physical qualities, mental aptitude, true desire to win, luck enough to have the right people around you at the right time and the freedom with your time to be able to invest where it is important. If some high school kid needs 3-4 hours a day for homework and studying, you can hang up specialty trumpet playing except for the VERY few.

    I think that it is major crap from people that should know better to put range on a pedestal and then have the nerve to call it achievable just because some high school kid mentions it. You obviously have not looked at what goes on in their heads, with their days or with their friends.

    There are many things that we can earn/do in life and a ton of strategies to use, this blind internet advice really does get me going sometimes. I wish club robinson was not one THE major recommended factor.

    Now, if we look at the responsible approach here, it is not to dissolve dreams. It is to instill faith in the fact that trumpet CAN be fun for the rest of us! A double C is not significant for fun or even moderate success.
     
  5. kingtrumpet

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    YES - BS -- I remember way back, when I was in high school the band director said the same type of things. The music is NOT written above high C, you don't need higher than the high C to be a good trumpet player. In essence these are correct statements. However, I think the point of the OP was NOT whether it is advisable to seek, and to obtain a high range -- BUT actually how to go about getting there. MAYBE HIGH range (above high C) is NOT attainable by everyone, and then again, as a comeback player who originally topped out about the High C (where I was told - "that is all you need") -- I can (at times) play a beautiful range up to the DHC+. DON"T get me wrong -- I am nearing 47 ish, and it seems to take quite an effort to put in the time for the high range, and perhaps I will never be an Eric Mayashiro, or an Arturo Sandoval, or ever produce anything near the consistency in the High C to DHC+ range. BUT I believe the average JOE can put in some concentrated practice, and intelligent plan to at least reach the high range with reproducable good quality sound. THEN AGAIN -- I also believe it takes time, and perserverance, and NOT everyone can, or will put in that time ----AND (like me) NOT everyone will be able to play songs in that range, but to pop out a few lines, or a phrase somewhere between High C and DHC + -- even if it is only for a few years, or a few performances where the audience appreciates that --- then to me that is PRICELESS ----- and that is my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Dave Hughes

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    I do know a lot of high note specialists that do use the 6a4a, quite a few. But when they play in the staff, you can't even tell they're using one. Its all in approach, I guess, but I have no idea how they get a good sound out of such a small back- small backbores actually fight back at me when I go high on them.

    I have a very consistent B above High C, but I can't even get a note out of a 6a4a! I do use a shallow mouthpiece for lead, however- a combination of a Schilke 14a cup with a Warburton rim and a Warburton 11* back (which is very, very large and open).

    PS: I can use a Jet Tone "A" model, with a 22 throat, however! :D
     
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  7. joshlalonde

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    Rowuk, that was rude and un-called for. That's not what I meant at all! You misunderstood... I wasn't saying that it's only pushing air fast with your abdomen. But you have to do that, verily.
     
  8. joshlalonde

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    And plus, I don't call myself a pro thanks. Did you see me say "THUS SAYETH THE PRO!!!!" huh? did you? no, didn't think so. I'm a student, in high school, just trying to help with what I've been taught. If you're goinna act all rude about it, then fine. You're right, obviously, because you have so much more experience than I do. But still, you didn't need to be so rude.
     
  9. veery715

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    Got rhymes with "hot" not hard:

    "It makes no difference
    If it's sweet or hot
    Just give that rhythm
    Everything you've got"

    Now ewe awl nough how it goze. BTW, Gmonady has to bee a docktor becaws he cain't spel.

    Thus sayeth the boid.
     
  10. kingtrumpet

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    Hey young man -- although I will agree with you on the harshness of rowuk --- I also know that he might respond with something like this.
    "we are trumpet players on TM -- we cause ulcers, but we don't get them -- or "trumpet players better develop thick skin, else they will get eaten alive by their audience" ---- or something similiar.
    so my advice is to NOT get too bent out of shape for some of the TM'rs responses that seem too harsh --- some are having a bad day, some are just naturally harsh, and some just had a fight with their wife, or worse yet -- they just threw their horn across the room because their most recent practice they figured out they just plain suck at the trumpet --- or at least for that 1 practice.
    I would like to encourage you to keep putting input on TM --- whether you are in high school or not, you still have very valuable input --- that is my opinion, and somebody else will have another opinion -- so play, be happy, and continue to add to TM
     

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