Rotary trumpet idea

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  1. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    A Musikhaus in Germany has been working on a double trumpet (Soprano E[SUP]b[/SUP] and mezzo-soprano B[SUP]b[/SUP]) since the 80's. Still no word.

    David Monette made a C rotary for Adolph Herseth with the valves about where your design has them. He only made the one.

    Not to say that you shouldn't undertake the project, heck, you even might come up with something fantastic, but the odds are at best you will get an interesting looking trumpet that maybe kinda sorta plays. At worst, you'll still have a unique instrument that might end up sealed away in a major collection in a hundred years or so.
     
  2. gordonfurr1

    gordonfurr1 Forte User

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    Oh, no doubt.
    A proper instrument takes development. I would never be able to invest development in this...but, in terms of the interface of the form to the player, the ergonomics, the adaptability to playing with either hand...heck...even the ability to totally replace either the complete valveset or tubing assembly.
    Even if never built, perhaps the thinking might lead to some other innovation.
     
  3. BrassBandMajor

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    I'm working on a rotary trumpet design too!
    NICE TRUMPET I LOVE TARV ROTARY TRUMPETS !!!
    Mine has Octave keys and various stuff
     
  4. stumac

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    I anneal silver,copper and brass to a just visible red heat, soft enough to work. My recent kranz for a bell in nickle silver required 27 anealings before it got to shape, the nickle silver work hardened so quickly.

    If you want a left handed trumpet I would start with an Olds Pinto, only need to assemble with the leadpipe and bell swapped sides, only braces need to be changed on bell. I will look if I can find mine and see.

    I have a 5 valve horn set with all valve slides, a copy of an Alexander 102ST compensating horn on my bench for 3 years waiting for an inspiration, wont be soon until I reassemble the 5 horns I have in pieces.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  5. stumac

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    If you have a successful octave key for a trumpet you will make a fortune, the world is waiting for it.

    When you complete your design I will build it for you if it is at all feasible.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  6. BrassBandMajor

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    Thank you stumac :D
    BTW Gordon where are you going to get your top action rotary valve block from?
    zirnbauer?? Voigt???
     
  7. trumpetsplus

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    This is a very interesting concept which marries the piston "Jazz" trumpet to the rotary "Concert" trumpet. The major difference to normal procedure is that this idea places a full lead pipe and tuning slide before the valve section like our regular piston trumpets, rather than having a short lead pipe entering the valve section.
     
  8. gunshowtickets

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    I did not measure the 40A, but Mr. Ivan stated in another thread the valves are about nine thou larger, I've see it posted elsewhere the 40 s are both 0.468 and the valve blocks are the same for the cornet and trumpet versions.

    The easiest way to tell is to put some callipers to the second valve casing ports.
     
  9. gordonfurr1

    gordonfurr1 Forte User

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    Hearing YOU say that it is interesting makes my year!
     
  10. Kujo20

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    I like it! I'm glad Ivan chimed in... I immediately thought of him when I saw this thread.

    I bet between the two of you guys, you could make something work. I say go for it!

    Kujo
     

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