Selmer,paris,pre modified or K modified,

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  1. Lucky paul

    Lucky paul New Friend

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    Hi All,been thinking about a selmer,paris,nice horns,is better for a pre modified or K moded version,with or without the third trigger,
    some on here have said the k mods were not as good as the pre moded versions,i know theres an issue with the mouth pieces but can be got around,
    Any thoughts,and was the grand prix a far superior model,Help please,thanks all Paul
     
  2. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

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    Well...the way I see it, it is very much personal. Me for example, I like very much the TT leadpipe horns, which are not that "old". Others like the K modified. You need to have a go at them. We cannot tell you what shoes to wear, can we?
     
  3. veery715

    veery715 Fortissimo User

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    Never played a Selmer I didn't like, but I am fond of my k-mod. Still, the best was a Sigma from just a few years ago. It's a subjective experience - what works is what works.
     
  4. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Piano User

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    Well I own a Selmer Paris made in 1952, definitely pre k-mod. I can tell you that the early Selmer is a great horn and plays and sounds like a dream, but I have never played a k-mod so I really can not comment, other than to say that I had a friend who played one and he seemed pretty happy with it.
     
  5. Efig

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    Just got my Selmer Depose stamped 20 Trumpet 1955 which is was built during the early K-Mod era I think, but has the French reciever and is NOT a K-Mod and not a pre K-mod (grand prix).

    I know many people have their opinions on the differences between the older and the K-Mod but unless you're talking about the pre war grand prixs without the tone ring on the bell "flare" area, the grand prixs and the K-Mods should play similarly, maybe the K-Mods have just a little more free blowing build in the leadpipe. Some people prefer the tighter resistant blow in the non-kmods and some prefer them to be a bit more "free blowing".

    All I can say about my Selmer Paris 20, is that it is a unique creature, a complex sound all by itself and will scream if you push it, great valve slotting, intonation is great some notes 1 or 2 are a bit flat but it is really easy to adjust with the lips, no trumpet is perfect in that area.
     
  6. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Piano User

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    Sounds like the 20 is somewhat identical to the 21. Very responsive, and as you said, it will scream if you push it. In my case, if I play it when my lips are tired, it lets me know in a hurry. But I tell you, I love this horn.
     
  7. Efig

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    It is probably identical, as my horn is a .456 bore but yours must be rarer becuase it was silverplated at the factory, really special trumpet, it's what I would truly call an "artist's horn". I agree, if my lips are tired, the notes will be somewhat stuffy. Must be played with focus and finnese!
     
  8. tyleman

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    About the only way to tell is to try both a K-mod and a pre K-mod. There will also be bore size variations, too. Neither is superior to the other.

    My experience is mostly with the cornets, but I find that my medium bore K-mod plays more open than my pre-WWII, pre K-mod cornet, and they are the same bore size but the wrap is different.
     
  9. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Piano User

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    Yeah I believe the silver plating may have something to do with the sound I am getting, too. That silver plating done at the factory must have been a real good job because there is hardly any sign of wear on my horn. I also understand that lead pipe is nickel and silver and it is clean as a whistle inside.
     

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