Should I buy a new mouthpiece for my C trumpet

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  1. ccb_22

    ccb_22 Pianissimo User

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    I'm playing a C trumpet now for the first time and am going through the frustrating "learing to play in tune all over again" phase. I read somewhere that players often use a mouthpiece with a larger throat and backbore for C trumpets than they do with Bb - is this true? I'm not looking for a piece of equipment to substitue for hard work and practice (in fact I would rather not buy a new mouthpiece if I don't have to), but I also don't want to make things any harder on myself because of a poor setup. Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  2. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

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    You don't necessarily need to use a different mouthpiece. Hopefully the C trumpet has been designed to be compatible with regular Bb trumpets.

    What is your current setup? Instruments? Mouthpiece?
     
  3. s.coomer

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    No, you should not have to buy a different mouthpiece in order to play your C trumpet. If you have a good C trumpet and are able to listen you will play if in tune. I have been playing Bb & C for many many years successfully and never used a different mouthpiece.
     
  4. richtom

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    The answer is maybe and there are a few reasons why the mouthpiece that works so well on the Bb may not work so hot on the C.
    Go here C Trumpet Intonation Problems
    This is GRs explanation of why you may need a different mouthpieces.
    There are no hard set rules, just what works.
    Rich T.
     
  5. ccb_22

    ccb_22 Pianissimo User

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    Very good, thanks. I hadn't felt any reason to make changes, but like I said, if it works better that way, I would look into considering it. Thanks.
     
  6. Buck with a Bach

    Buck with a Bach Fortissimo User

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    With mine, I seem to have more perceived back pressure on the C than the B-flat using the same piece. was thinking on going to a size or two bigger/deeper in the Marcinkeweitz line to try to reduce the back pressure. Currently on an 8-S Concert Hall piece:dontknow::oops:
     
  7. tptshark

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    I use a slightly larger 'piece on C trumpet, but I do this for tonal reasons rather than anything to do with intonation. I think the intonation will come with more time on the instrument. I don't believe it's imperative to have a different 'piece for the C trumpet.

    My suggestion would be to warm up on your Bb as usual, then switch over to the C trumpet and complete your technical routine on that, focusing on centering the tone and pitch. Then after your routine maybe try some orchestral excerpts etc switching from Bb to C and back, before finishing your practice session on Bb. I found doing some improvising on the Ctpt also helped a lot. Once you have sorted all the issues associated with playing the unfamiliar instrument (intonation etc), then you could perhaps look into finding a mouthpiece that makes getting the tonal/playing qualities you want from the C tpt easier.

    That is what worked for me when I first started on C, hopefully there is something there that will help you.

    Cheers,
    AK
     
  8. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    The recommendation for a larger mouthpiece backbore/throat is due to the fact that it makes it easier to bend notes. Less effort is required to get a borderline C-trumpet in tune - at the cost of endurance and security. I guess if you are endorsing a brand of instrument with questionable intonation, then a patch is better than fessin' up.

    I disagree with that approach. A bandaid over less than optimal intonation is exactly that, no cure!

    It would be better to get a C trumpet that is more in tune and take advantage of a mouthpiece that maintains higher efficiency. There are enough of them out there.

    I do not need to learn to play in tune again when I switch. I played 10 or so C trumpets at Giardinellis in the mid 70s before I bought the one that worked best. No alternate fingerings required!

    That being said, my modified Bach 229H CL is more resonant (responsive, fun) with a Monette C2D than with a B2D.
     
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  9. B15M

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    I think to play the C trumpet you have to play on it a lot. A while back I switched to C trumpet for all of my legit playing. When I went back to the B-flat, I had trouble with that. You have to work at both. The tuning for both is a little different. If I play one B-flat trumpet and than another B-flat trumpet, the tuning is a little different.

    As far as back pressure, I have played a lot of tight C trumpets. The one I use right now is tighter than the B-flat. I think it helps me. I'm a little more secure on the C.

    I play on a Monette B-flat and C. They gave me a different mouthpiece for each. They are the same size cup but I think the back bore is different. The length of the C mouthpiece is shorter. I guess the trumpet is shorter so the mouthpiece stays the same in relation to the length of trumpet tubing.

    I do believe that a different mouthpiece can make a huge difference, but it also might not. If you are new at it I would just play for a while and get used to it.
     
  10. ccb_22

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    I think at this point, I just need to focus and get more time on the horn. Today is only day 4. There may be a chance for me to play with mouthpieces at a pro shop later on in the summer. At that point, I can probably make a more informed decision about what's working and what isn't. Thanks for the replies, they are very helpful.
     

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