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  1. Liad Bar-EL

    Liad Bar-EL Forte User

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    FreshBrewed: « Thread started on: Oct 22nd, 2003, 4:57pm »

    Anyone out there have suggestions on how to stop smoking? I've tried the patch, cold turkey and Zyban. None of them worked. Castle tried to help me but it didn't work out too well. I think the stress of work may have something to do with it. And yes I REALLY do want to quit because I'm approaching a wall in my playing and the root of my problem is lack of air. Any help would be greatly appreciated no matter how odd the solution. Thanks.
     
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    gzent: « Reply #1 on: Oct 22nd, 2003, 5:16pm »

    Well, this might sound like BS, but in 1985 my Dad quit after smoking 40 years and in 1986 my Mom quit after smoking over 30 years. Neither have smoked since.

    They both quit cold turkey after getting hypnotized. Really, its true!

    Greg
     
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    Tootsall: « Reply #2 on: Oct 22nd, 2003, 6:03pm »

    Man, that's a toughie. If there was a "magic formula" the owner would be making millions! I used to smoke up to 2 packs a day when I was in university (of course, they were MUCH cheaper then...that was 35 years ago). The funny thing is, over time I've been able to cut back to where I don't buy them at all any longer but will accept one in certain social settings if someone offers. In other words, I can take'em (and sometimes do) or leave 'em (and sometimes do). I probably don't smoke any more than 20 or 30 cigarettes a year. Why not stop completely? I dunno...why not stop drinking alcohol completely? or why not always drive at or below the speed limit? or give up possibly risky sports?

    How was this accomplished? I don't really know. Peer pressure maybe? The high cost? The fact that my wife used to bring home Xrays and photos of the disected lungs of ex-smokers (and ex-living!) might have had something to do with it. Sleeping in hotel rooms that had been frequented by smokers? (those pillows? yeeeeuck!)

    The thing is that once you get USED to being "smoke free" you notice very strongly the tobacco odors on other people who are smokers....light OR heavy smokers! A lot of fresh air helps too. I know that when I get in a "relatively" polluted atmosphere like a city (or a welding shop) I'm more likely to accept a smoke than when I'm outdoors in fresh air.

    We're slowly implementing an absolute ban on smoking in our workplace. There are a few folks who are very bitter about this new policy but they've been offered programs for a couple of years and several of them simply refuse to even consider giving up their smokes (and those smokes are getting up to $9.00 a pack here). The fewer smokers you are around, the less strong the "cravings" are.... and as I recall you are in a situation where there are liable to be a lot of smokers.

    I know one guy who managed to quit smoking by convincing his wife to let him buy a sports car, arguing (successfully) that the cost of smoking would offset the cost of the car. To my knowledge he's kept his promise "cold turkey". It's been about 4 years for him now. Maybe you could make a promise to yourself to bring back one of those Mercedes Kompressor models as a "reward" when you rotate back to the U.S.! (With the trunk full of good beer, of course).

    Motivation.
     
  4. Liad Bar-EL

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    TrumpetPlayer: « Reply #3 on: Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:28am »

    Mike,

    I still have not done my home work on this but I can give you a suggestion or two.

    Take a good look at your habits of when you light up to smoke and change those situations by either taking a false cigarette which some do or reminding yourself right at that moment that you are taking another step at this time in your life to purify your body. Take one step at a time and don’t think about tomorrow but only at that moment you are dealing with this effort.

    What is the most important thing/person/event in your life? Will you trade a cigarette in place of that thing/person/event?

    If you are religious then think about your body as being the Temple of G-d. Aaron’s two sons died because they offered a strange fire (where there is smoke, there’s fire and the converse is true as well). The fire and smoke allowed in the Temple were the offerings and incense and nothing else.

    Thanks for opening up this thread. Great idea.

    Liad Bar-EL
     
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    Thevor: « Reply #4 on: Oct 23rd, 2003, 10:07pm »

    My father started smoking at the ripe age of 14 years old. He was able to stop smoking at the age of 51........ it was more like the smoking stopped him. He died.

    Just something to consider while you're taking the time trying to give them up.

    I'm not one to judge though, I've tried to give up my coffee habit a few times and that dredded cup keeps ending up on my desk in the morning........ dang, if its that hard to give up coffee, how hard is it to give up the really addictive stuff?

    Thevor
     
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    TrumpetPlayer: « Reply #5 on: Oct 24th, 2003, 08:51am »

    We are endowed with the power to choose what we want to affect us in your lives.

    My brother in law was the same age as me, one month ago. He died of lung cancer due to smoking. Everyone in the family, the wife and children, are still suffering. If he would have know how much suffering he has caused himself and his family, I am sure he would not have chosen to smoke.

    Liad Bar-EL
     
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    TrumpetPlayer: « Reply #6 on: Oct 24th, 2003, 10:20am »

    I realize that my previous post was not directed to you specifically because you are not choosing to smoke but rather are choosing NOT to smoke and wanting to know how to do it. Let me say here you are 50% cured already.

    During graduate school, we studied for 2 years the answer to one question, “how to make people change”. The key is first to have the person recognize that he/she has a problem. You already recognize this; so, you are already on your way to recovery.

    I and there are others who are giving you support even in this forum. Have you noticed or felt anything different in your daily activities for the past couple of days? Have you felt really good and like you were not alone but that someone was with you or was thinking about you?

    Hey guys, let’s give Mike our support. We know you can lick this problem Mike.

    Liad Bar-EL
     
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    Tootsall: « Reply #7 on: Oct 24th, 2003, 12:14pm »

    "Lick" tobacco? (insert mental image of cleaning an ashtray out with your tongue) Ewwww! How gross is THAT!

    Seriously, Mike. For most folks out there who what to quit smoking but are having a real hard time of it, there will be as many suggestions as there are folks who have managed to give it up. Whether it is difficult or not is the inverse function of your real desire to quit. You want to play. Trumpet requires air and you know that you need to have an efficient and effective breathing system for that. You love making music with your trumpet. How much? You are making a career out of it.

    This is one time that being labelled "a quitter" is a GOOD THING!
     
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    FreshBrewed: « Reply #8 on: Oct 24th, 2003, 1:46pm »

    To All,
    Thanks for the words of encouragement and support. I'm already smoking 50% less at work than I did and that is where I used to do my "heavy" smoking. I think that is due to the fact that I've been practicing about 4 hours a day at work and even more when I get home. I just hope my neighbors and co-workers can tolerate hearing me that much every day. I'm also trying to find things to do right after I eat so that I don't go straight for the smokes. My wife likes me doing the dishes every night! I'm aso listening to trumpet music constantly while at home. It lets me know that I'll never play with the "big guys" if I keep smoking. I'll write more after I get back from Berlin with the band and let you all know how that goes. Nothing makes me crave a smoke like drinking German beer so this will be rough!
     
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    Thevor: « Reply #9 on: Oct 24th, 2003, 4:53pm »

    Dang Fresh, if I start smoking would that mean I'd be able to get out of doing the dishes? I always wondered what the secret was.

    Thevor
     

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