So Many Problems!

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  1. Clarkvinmazz

    Clarkvinmazz Forte User

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    I would focus less on the mouthpiece and more on your playing. A couple weeks is not enough time to get used to any mouthpiece, regardless of what it is. I don't really understand why you would literally have to throw away a mouthpiece, but my suggestion is to find a nice bach 3c and do some buzzing and long tones. Arbans always helps as well. +1 for the skype offer, that's a very nice thing you've been offered.
     
  2. richtom

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    Many issues here.
    You have, as is usual here, been given some poor advice and excellent advice. Too much nonsense from folks who "think" they have the answers to your specific issues. It just isn't that easy.
    There really is no numbered Yamaha 5C trumpet mouthpiece. See attached chart. If it is a 5A4, that is a very small specialist mouthpiece. My guess is it is a 14C4.
    Trumpets - Mouthpieces (Brass) - Mouthpieces - Brass/Woodwinds - Musical Instruments - Products - Yamaha United States

    " My range is back to normal (D above the staff) but my endurance and tone are suffering."
    " My endurance is terrible. I can hit high notes (above E at top of the staff) for about my first 5 or 10 minutes, then that ability goes away. After that, G and above fall to this really flat screech sound that's impossible to describe".

    From D above the stave to around a G just above the stave tells me you have no air support and use excessive pressure to squeak out a D above the stave and then your lips collapse.

    You certainly should not go bigger that 16.6 mm or 16.7mm in size and absolutely not deeper with a gold rim. Deeper and gold rims do not give you more endurance. Deeper cups require even more air support and gold can be slippery on the chops. Gold is for those who prefer that feel and/or have an allergy to silver. Large, deep cups are for those who have excellent air flow and understand those sizes are basically specialist's mouthpieces designed for well trained players. Amateurs "like" them for the instant gratification they get in regards to sound. Oh boy! Don't I sound good for 20 minutes!??! Then the embouchure collapses and you get air in the sound or nothing at all.
    You need a mouthpiece somewhere around 16.25 to 16.7mm, preferably in the middle.
    What brand is also utterly irrelevant. You need help in selecting this mouthpiece as well. You just cannot keep jumping between different mouthpieces! That is pure embouchure suicide.
    What you have is a severe embouchure issue you are not going to fix on your own. You have neither the experience or technical knowledge at this point.
    Take Barlimann up on his Skype offer. He will give you the proper direction to go.
    Rich T.
     
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  3. Dennis78

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    I can definitely agree about diamiter! I thought that bigger was better, which I guess is an amateur trap of sorts. As far as depths the 27 I use with my NP is deeeeeep! Either everyone is different or I have improved in my abilities because to me this is THE easiest MP I've ever played on and after a two hour set I'm not exhausted or blown out
     
  4. rowuk

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    I think that we haven't been told the whole story. I would take bets that the current practice mode does not resemble the monitored one from summer. Those lessons had not cured those exact same issues, they certainly raised the "hope" bar however. Because out of those lessons no consistent routine remained, we now have everything mixed up. Nothing works

    I do not understand the drama of tossing a mouthpiece for "personal" reasons. I mean it is out of metal and can't have something contagious if it is cleaned occasionally. If it was trashed, what is "personal" about that? If it was lost in a bet, well - we don't buy something else, we replace it.

    My personal opinion is that Marching Band and Jazz Band for chop-confused-players is NOT a good idea. They in the high school version are both generally relatively violent forms of playing and can easily trash the face - destroying any progress one may have made during the summer.

    If this was my student, I would simply take the whole month of January. Two lessons per week with, daily practice (with the student taking notes) and NO band. The first two weeks would be to build a maintenance plan, find ground zero and start developing good habits. Monitored long tones and lipslurs as well as easy tunes like out of a Hymnbook - nothing else. Minimum 1 hour practice in 3 x 20 minute sessions (my definition: practice is working ONLY on stuff that we can't do well) plus the 15-20 minute maintenance routine per day. After two weeks we decide if the foundation has cured and can take the weight of standard lesson material. Focus of the lessons:
    Body Use (lowering body and face tension)
    Breathing
    Consistency
    Articulation

    After 4 weeks we decide if we need more time before returning to any type of band. It sounds tough and unfair, but life is a bitch sometimes especially if we have not been good children.

    Please note: the only reference that I made to a mouthpiece was NONE. You are not even close to that point yet.
     
  5. ♠♥CORNET♣♦

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    I was in the same position as you, I didn't have a teacher and somehow had 1st Trumpet for everything.
    Ask to play 3rd or something until you work up your chops again.
    As to motivation I recommend listening to a lot of Trumpet music. Try listening to a new player or a new type of music with trumpets. Many people skip listening to mariachi or baroque. Just give it a try and maybe it will spark an interest that will get you to practice more. My favorite players are Clark Terry for jazz and Maurice André for classical/baroque. You mentioned your tone was bad, so listen to players that have the type of tone you want. When you play your Trumpet keep that sound in your mind while you play and eventually you will get a nicer tone. My opinion is that Maurice André has THE tone. Try it. Another way is to practice QUIET long tones.

    Since you won't get a teacher for a while, you have some time to improve. Learn all the major scales, Lip slurs (A Lot! These will help almost every aspect of Trumpet playing), Try multiple toungeing (Double and Triple), and learn to get a good tone.

    There are many videos on YouTube that taught me a lot. You should check those out. Charlie Porter, James Morrison, and Jon Harnum all give great lessons on YouTube.

    PS: try a gold plated mouthpiece-they give you more comfort which could help endurance. But a teacher is more important.

    I hope I helped! Good luck
     
  6. Dennis78

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    I can't tell one bit of difference between gold or silver plate. I like a wet set and my most slippery is pretty scratched up. I'm not a take a break kind of person. You don't get a break in the military, work or supporting a family. While I highly respect Rowak I have to disagree about time off. Go hard or go home, those who stop get trampled under. Yea we may become fatigued occasionally but that's life. When the going gets tough we as humans need to step up and seize the challenge or die trying! Most everything is mental. Get your head straight and buckle down its going to be a rough ride. And it would be boring as he** if it wasn't
     
  7. rowuk

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    Dennis,
    you are making a mistake - a BIG mistake. I wrote "if this were my student". If it were you and you refused, goodbye. I have a reason for "demanding" 4 weeks time. Humans are creatures of habit. You are what you repeatedly do. Continued banging your head against the wall may be your solution - we can travel from New Jersey to New York by going south. The path is MUCH more difficult and along the way we usually end up changing our goals (around the south pole) before achieving our goal.

    You do not have to agree with my methods. You are not my student. I think the idea of "step up and seize the challenge or die trying" is relatively stupid if you don't have any idea what you are facing. That may work with online games (we can google cheats), but there are a lot of dead people that blindly went (or were sent) to war without working weapons. We need brains not testosterone. Playing smart is the solution, not G.I Joe strong.

     
  8. Fool In The Rain

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    I understand that it sounds dumb that I threw my mouthpiece away. My excuse is somewhat reasonable but embarrassing, which is why I choose not to disclose it publicly.


    @bumblebee Thank you for the suggestions! I'll look in to that before the end of today

    @Gendreauj I appreciate the suggestions but I don't have the funds right now to look in to any other mouthpieces haha. Regarding my username, are you a Zeppelin fan too? :D

    @gwood66 Thank you! I will definitely look in to that very soon

    @barliman2001 I'm very grateful for your offer sir. I will message you promptly

    @rowuk You're right that my current practice sessions aren't like my summer practice sessions. It's because I don't have my teacher. And taking a break from marching and jazz band is not an option; they are high school classes that I attend for a grade every day.
     
  9. ♠♥CORNET♣♦

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    Many people cannot tell the difference between gold and silver. I can whether it be my mind or actual, the gold provides more comfort. It is all personal opinion.

    I have to disagree with the break. Taking a break from playing can take your mind off of the Trumpet and onto something else like a hobby. Then when you go back to playing you will feel refreshed and not as tense. Would you like to work everyday? Or do you want some days off?
    Trumpet is not and should not be compared to the military. Do Trumpet players risk their lives every time they play at a gig? I don't think so. O Trumpet players go to boot camp? The only close thing to that is Arbans method.
    Trumpet is an instrument. It is a physical instrument to say a piano.

    The only problem with taking breaks are you might lose range. But that is not bad because usually you can get it back quite easily.
     
  10. Dennis78

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    In my line of work time off is money lost. I work most weekends and take on as many side jobs as possible. I don't rest, it's not an option. A long time ago one of my DI's told me there's plenty of time for rest in the grave. Storming the beaches of Normandy was stupid and there were no breaks given only orders and they were carried out well by men who died trying. My grandfather equated rest to laziness. A man should work hard until he drops dead and he did. I'll always remember his example
    Rowak I would be a terrible student! But after my bullheadedness wears off I usually follow the advice you post and it has helped me immensely! You're big time for a reason I know that. If it weren't for people like you to balance out people like me this would be a crazy world!
    I've ment no disrespect
     

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