starting note difficult for me

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by songbook, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. brian moon

    brian moon Forte User

    Or 1-2 with the first slide out a crack
  2. richtom

    richtom Forte User

    Dec 7, 2003
    Rowuk and Dale have passed along some good advice about the third valve instead of the
    usual 1-2 combination and it is what I sometimes use on those somewhat snarky A above the stave entrances.
    There is an old story - maybe somewhat true, too - about a gambler once betting Louis Armstrong that if he could hit 100 high C's in a row, he would give him $1000.00.
    The story concludes with Pops pulling out his horn and nailing 100 high C's in a row, winning the $1000.00.
    Hear the note first and don't put the thought of failure in your mind.
    Rich T.
  3. coolerdave

    coolerdave Utimate User

    Nov 7, 2009
    San Pedro
    +1 on the air attacks .. sometimes we over due the tongue which is almost a guarrenteed cracked note... less tongue more air... and the 3rd valve ideal sounds brilliant
  4. Kent

    Kent New Friend

    Apr 25, 2007
    Vancouver, BC
    I am working at developing clean attackes above the staff as well. What i have come to appreciate is how necessary it is to hear the note before you play it. I have been using a piano to set the tone, I sing the tone (in a lower octave), then play it on the horn. For some reason this "A" seems to be a gatekeeper for me. once i get it it cleanly, the tones up to the "D" go just fine.
  5. bagmangood

    bagmangood Forte User

    I feel fortunate that on my main Bb (the courtois) this note sits perfectly in tune that way (also makes the low Es fit in better with arpeggios timbre-wise)

    Definitely a lot easier to play 3rd than it is 1&2
  6. tedh1951

    tedh1951 Utimate User

    Oct 18, 2007
    The Wide Brown Land
    Something that helped me with this sort of thing was to grab a mental image of a note above the A in this case, and then you automatically know to relax into the now "lower" note.

    But practice the alternate fingering 'trick' too - I'm hanging out to read Robin's reasoning (I have formed an idea about this all on my own but unlike the normal trumpet player, I will hold my opinion until Robin explains what's REALLY happening).

    I've recently joined a 'new band' and am experimenting with alternate fingering - particularly the 1+2 or 3rd valve variation - it certainly speeds up the fingering on some of the "new pieces" I am seeing.
  7. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    The A above staff is a notorious difficult note to slot. I agree with Rowuk the 3 rd valve substitution works well. But practicing hitting the note repeatedly periodically throughout a rehearsal session is also a good idea. Don't start doing this however until you are warmed up.

    I also cannot wait to hear Rowuk's reasoning, my bet is it may have to do with resistance. We will see.
  8. Myszolow

    Myszolow Pianissimo User

    Apr 23, 2011
    I wonder why that is? I never noticed as a junior, but since coming back I have found the A something of a stumbling block. Mind you it's still rather close to the top of my current range.

    I wondered that. One less bend to go around? I was half expecting him to laughingly say it was a mind trick. I tried it and it worked for me too. I could hit A more easily with 3. Is there a real reason for it or was it because I was expecting it to work? :-)
  9. Dale Proctor

    Dale Proctor Utimate User

    Jul 20, 2006
    Heart of Dixie
    I may be showing my ignorance here, but I think it's because the sound wave has a smoother path with 3, and it's more in tune on most horns with 3, so it finds the slot easier. Whatever the reason, it works in many cases.
  10. brian moon

    brian moon Forte User

    It is flatter = lower = easier

    Also one less valve that could be out of alignment on the downstroke.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2011

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