Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Nealium, Apr 16, 2015.

  1. Nealium

    Nealium New Friend

    Jan 9, 2015
    Recently, I took part in my high school's all - district jazz band. Dr. Brian Hogg a sax player) was our director. He talked to the saxophones about creating a "subtone". I never had a name for it, but it's the "fuzzy" sound you sometimes hear from developed players. I'm able to create this at softer volumes, but I want to know how to make it louder. My high school doesn't use mics for solos, so it's difficult to get the proper volume over the rest of the band's grounds during solos.
  2. stumac

    stumac Fortissimo User

    Oct 19, 2008
    Flinders Vic Australia
    Subtone on the Saxophone.

    From the spectra it indicates a predominance of the fundamental and lower harmonics without the brightening of the upper series.

    To achieve this on trumpet, a deep V cup mouthpiece and play softly, I do not think this lends itself to loud playing . IMHO. Others may have better opinions.

    Regards, Stuart.
  3. tjcombo

    tjcombo Forte User

    Nov 12, 2012
    Melbourne, Australia
    I think that Stumac is on the money here. The amplitude of harmonics is greater the louder you play.
    If you want to have a look at this for yourself, load up Audacity on your pc. It has a spectrum analyser function and you can observe this effect.
  4. gunshowtickets

    gunshowtickets Forte User

    Mar 11, 2015
    Tidewater, VA
    The sound takes a very relaxed emboucher, which is the predominant requirement for getting this sound.
    This may be also a mechanical function of you the intstrument. I have a 0.469 horn that is very easy to get this "fuzz", but at the loudest, maybe a mf. My 0.459 i hardly get it unless i use a mouthpiece with a very large throat and deep cup. The mp is not a requirement, a 5C or thereabouts should be good to go.

    Long story short, you're going to have to be mic'd if you want to get this sound to the back of an auditorium and don't think there is some magical combination of mp/tpt that will get you the sound.

    BTW, this is a great video if you haven't seen it, the point relevant to your interests is at 7:35. Mr. Sandoval speaks about something that appears to be a secret even now: Arban's.
  5. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    We do not need additional hardware for "subtones". First we need a VERY strong sound concept and need to have a very developed embouchure/body use/breathing. Then we are capable of producing a palette of colors from clouds to lightning bolts. In there we find a very introverted subtone color. It is not a "thing", it is a state that you can't describe, you produce it when you are ready! It is individual to each player. The lips must ignite with very low air pressure. All of the oestrogene/testosterone must be under control!

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