Testing A Possible New Way To Tune A Trumpet

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Dr.Mark, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Mezzo Forte User

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    I tried it on my Olds Studio. I had to work to get a tone out of lead pipe by blowing without buzzing but I also had the experience that matching ringing the bell was about the same place I normally tune it.
     
  2. kingtrumpet

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    of course -- the Olds Super has the "tone ring" on the bell -- which leads me to wonder if that has been put there by the designer/manufacture for a solid reasoning to do with the tuning!!? just a question of sorts!!!
     
  3. ShaneChalke

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    So I tried the experiment... I hear a lot more overtones on the Schilke than the Rembrandt. Interesting that maybe you can predict how dark a horn is by pinging the bell? The Rembrandt sounds terribly cheap when you ping the bell (more like a thud), but man that horn sounds sweet...
     
  4. gmonady

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    So, I think the test we are running may be finding similar outcomes. The bell/leadpipe balance tuning at tuned piano (orchestra) with identical tuning slide length, and not hearing harmonic, may actually be reflective of a pure tone quality (some call this darkness) of a horn. Dr. Mark, it's now time to take these observation into a lab.
    We man be on the verge to defining darkness....

    Mwah... hah... hah... hah... hah... hah... hah!
     
  5. Vulgano Brother

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    Darkness is the absence of brightness. Duh!
     
  6. gmonady

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    Interesting perspective oh dark master!
     
  7. gmonady

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    Wait a second! You cannot see sound... Darkness and brightness are perceptions when it comes to trumpet playing... You really can't hear darkness (or brightness)...

    Unless...

    You're not dropping Acid are you VB?
     
  8. Dean_0

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    Kinda OT but does most everyone start out (cold lips) Sharp , and go flatter when warmed up like me?


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  9. Ed Lee

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    Dark is defined as the absence of Light, vis one enters a dark room in the absence of light. We need to standardize our musical tones in another way IMO. Still, I do believe there is a differentiation in the sound of the same note played on a different cornet, trumpet or flugelhorn and too a difference in the tone of the same instrument played by different persons or with different mouthpieces. Even so, while my hearing is good again, I'm not going to say it is good enough for me to discern all the nuances of sound. To do this with any degree of accuracy, players would have to be in the same space at the same temperature and barometric pressure I'm sure sound would be different at the top of the mountain from that at sea level, and I'm now closer to the latter.
     
  10. Ed Lee

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    Not so much the lips, but the metallic instrument, YES! Then too, there is these hot days and you just can't sharpen the instrument enough.
     

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