The Artist...

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  1. gordonfurr1

    gordonfurr1 Forte User

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    Nah.
    Don't think so.
    Different processes, different mind-state.
     
  2. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    Rereading the original premise, I discovered something not yet touched.

    We can separate the disciplines by defining performance as the realization of someone elses dream, or strictly our own. Think about it. The skill set is the same, but one assumes a selfless contribution to the whole as interpreted by a conductor or composer - where we are one of many tools, the other is driven by ourselves and perhaps only possible as a soloist without accompaniment. Neither is "loose" or "confined". The musical fabric is still the lump sum of the interaction whether alone or in a group. Naturally there are crossover states where we have great freedoms in an ensemble.

    I don't agree with the mind state thing. I think it is a claim made by persons with a specific strength in a particular discipline not being able to fathom the depth of the other discipline.

    We have color, we have technique, we have style and most of all we have attitude. Common to all of the arts.
     
  3. Sethoflagos

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    Curiously laconic posting, Gordon. I wonder what mind-state I missed out on. ;-)
     
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    Holistics would suggest a third way. The performance becomes the realisation of the unifying threads in the dreams of all contributors to a greater or lesser extent. There has to be a comfortable mean between autocracy and anarchy, hasn't there?
     
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    Yes, but the second infinity is MUCH bigger than the first one!
     
  6. Sethoflagos

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    Fair point :-)
     
  7. gordonfurr1

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    In the article "Creative Innovation: Possible Brain Mechanisms." The authors write that "creative innovation might require coactivation and communication between regions of the brain that ordinarily are not strongly connected." Highly creative people who excel at creative innovation tend to differ from others in three ways:
    they have a high level of specialized knowledge,
    they are capable of divergent thinking mediated by the frontal lobe.
    and they are able to modulate neurotransmitters such as norepinephrine in their frontal lobe.

    Thus, the frontal lobe appears to be the part of the cortex that is most important for creativity.

    This article also explored the links between creativity and sleep, mood and addiction disorders, and depression. (And perhaps the lopping off of one's ear..((Gordon)))

    In 2005, Alice Flaherty presented a three-factor model of the creative drive. Drawing from evidence in brain imaging, drug studies and lesion analysis, she described the creative drive as resulting from an interaction of the frontal lobes, the temporal lobes, and dopamine from the limbic system. The frontal lobes can be seen as responsible for idea generation, and the temporal lobes for idea editing and evaluation. Abnormalities in the frontal lobe (such as depression or anxiety) generally decrease creativity, while abnormalities in the temporal lobe often increase creativity. High activity in the temporal lobe typically inhibits activity in the frontal lobe, and vice versa. High dopamine levels increase general arousal and goal directed behaviors and reduce latent inhibition, and all three effects increase the drive to generate ideas.[93] (The above gratuitously stolen from Wikipedia)
     
  8. Sethoflagos

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    This is not hard science, Gordon, though it seems to be trying to appear so.

    Why these people are trying to establish a genetic basis for creativity, and by inference promote the idea that creativity is the province of "The Chosen Ones", I can't be certain. But it comes way too close to eugenics for me to be at all comfortable with it. Perhaps we Europeans are more sensitive to this than others.

    That's posting 5 of this thread.
     
  9. rowuk

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    I can certainly attest to the connection between artistic and moody/depressive....

    As far as not so strongly connected parts of the brain, try tapping both feet while playing.... Melody affects both sides of the brain equally. Harmony and rhythm seem to activate the left side of the brain more strongly than the right side. Tap your right foot for technical studies and your left foot for improvisation.

    The last link is especially significant for those that think that the brain is not so well connected.

    Music, Rhythm and The Brain | Brain World
    Study Suggests Music May Someday Help Repair Brain - latimes
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...rain-right-brain-myth-will-probably-never-die
     
  10. gordonfurr1

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    Eugenics???
    No. Nobody (else) is talking about eugenics.

    "The chosen few"?
    No. Anyone and EVERYONE has the raw ability for a creative existence.

    Creation is very much a personal act. It is neither legislated nor orchestrated, though a conducive environment can be made that will not hinder a creative process occurring.

    Creativity is different from adherence...reproduction...
    Creativity is not rote.
    Creativity is not easily turned on, but can easily become throttled in hostility.
    Creativity is an epiphany, a springing forth, a genesis of new.
    Creativity is not prescribed...nor operates upon marching orders.
    Creativity MAY occur within a realm of creative minds seeking genesis...but the root starts in one mind, finds a sprig in another, and blossoms in another...but each step is a small genesis of its own.
    Creativity is more genesis than synthesis.
    Creativity is not read from a score...but occurs earlier. A musical score is the TRACING of a creative path...like the pattern of petals from a flower blown...
    Creativity...
    Is.
     

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