The Fence ....... Please read President Bush

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  1. Liad Bar-EL

    Liad Bar-EL Forte User

    Oct 25, 2003
    Jerusalem, Israel
    The Fence...only ONE paragraph to read. So, hopefully, Pres ident Bush will read it.

    The border security fence is comprised of

    many sections totaling scores of miles.

    Some sections are concrete, others sheet

    metal. The barrier is three layers deep in

    parts, fifteen feet high and surrounded by

    razor wire. The area around it is lit by

    spotlights, monitored by cameras, motion

    detectors and magnetic sensors, and patrolled

    by armed guards with attack dogs. But enough

    about the USA border with Mexico, now let's

    talk about Israel....
  2. trickg

    trickg Utimate User

    Oct 26, 2003
    And yet, the USA is crawling with illegal immigrants that have crossed that very fence.
  3. gzent

    gzent Fortissimo User

    Nov 5, 2003
    Rochester, MN
    Can someone give me a logical, thought-out reason why the US doesn't secure its border with Mexico?

  4. nyc_lurker

    nyc_lurker New Friend

    Nov 16, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    We're not in a border dispute with Mexico.
  5. trpguyy

    trpguyy Piano User

    Nov 26, 2003
    It seems to me that some people (I am not grouping you with these people, Liad) are unsure as to what they feel the international role of the US should be. These people think that the US should stay out of everyone's business, but when a nice little country (such as Israel) get's beat upon, they think that the US should run in and play police. Why should it be up to the US to solve the Israel- Palestine problem. Why is it Bush's responsibility to build some massive wall between these two nations? If any of you have answers (particularly you, Liad), I'd love to hear them.

  6. Liad Bar-EL

    Liad Bar-EL Forte User

    Oct 25, 2003
    Jerusalem, Israel
    I gave you only one paragraph to read and it was taken out of context. Being that this paragraph created some interests, I think that it would be best to put it in context of the article that it came from before we go and try to solve the world's problems in the Middle East. I will nevertheless think about your message trpguyy.

    IMO, no type of politics is going to solve a religious war and so far all the Torah prophecies are currently unfolding. FYI, it's not a matter of realestate. Having said this, you pretty much know my stance and all I can say that things are going to get worse.

    Meanwhile, back at the realestate ranch of peace making and piece giving, here is the article.


    The Secaucus Peace Plan

    By Jeff Dunetz

    Making Peace ... the Colin Powell Way | This week the world's news media has been filled with glowing reports about the Geneva Peace Plan. It's an Israeli-Palestinian treaty that was negotiated and signed by some private citizens who had no authority from their respective governments. Their effort, funded mostly by the Swiss government, was signed last week in Geneva. The gala ceremony included anti-Israel diatribes from the Palestinian negotiators and former US President Jimmy Carter. This unofficial plan was originally greeted with distain by both the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli government; however the PA has since changed its stance after seeing that it could be turned into public relations tool.

    What has been missing from all the reports is that the Geneva plan represents a milestone in diplomacy. Now anyone can make a treaty! Even the US Secretary of State Colin Powell has thrown his support behind the plan, further damaging the chances of the so called "Roadmap Peace Plan." You may remember that one; it was proposed by Mr. Powell's boss, the President and agreed to by both Israel and the PA. The Secretary Has even met with the negotiators.

    It is clear that General Powell has ushered in a new era , from now on, to negotiate a treaty all you need to do is find any two private citizens who agree to terms. They don't need any official authority just a word processor and a pen. I assume that you need to have private citizens from each country but this hasn't been made clear. Even if the plan actually distracts from the peace process, you can win an all expenses paid trip to Washington to meet the head diplomat of the United States.

    By meeting with the negotiators of the Geneva plan, Powell not only gives it legitimacy — but once again proves himself to be a genius. I have decided to show my support, jump on the bandwagon to help General Powell move his new manifesto ahead. I am pleased announce today, that a peace treaty has been negotiated with Iraq!

    Wanting to help Secretary Powell establish his new era of world peace, I sat down with Hamid, an American of Iraqi descent. I met him at the Bar Mitzvah party of my cousin Manny's son that took place this past Sunday. (Hamid has never been to Iraq, his father was driven out of the country in 1948 with other Iraqi Jews, but we assumed it would be close enough for Mr. Powell.)

    Hamid and I agreed that since neither one of us had the money to go to Geneva, we would sit down right there, in Secaucus, New Jersey, to negotiate our treaty. So while the rest of the guests were eating their choice of salmon with a mustard sauce or Beef Wellington with baked potato, Hamid and I got down to negotiating world peace, or as we call it "The Secaucus Peace Plan". We based the plan on the Geneva treaty that Mr. Powell supports

    Here are some of the Highlights:

    The border security fence is comprised of many sections totaling scores of miles. Some sections are concrete, others sheet metal. The barrier is three layers deep in parts, fifteen feet high and surrounded by razor wire. The area around it is lit by spotlights, monitored by cameras, motion detectors and magnetic sensors, and patrolled by armed guards with attack dogs. This barrier is an economic hardship for the people on the other side; it prevents them from working an honest job and earning a living. Therefore as part of our treaty, the fence between the US and Mexico must come down.

    Holy Sites across the world including The Temple Mount, Vatican City, Mecca and the monument area of Yankee Stadium will now be run by an international commission. The lone exception will be my cousin Bernie's Synagogue, which is granted a five year grace period till after his youngest child's Bar-Mitzvah in May of 2008. We deemed that another affair thrown by my cousin Bernie could only help world peace.

    The United States will go back to its pre 1960 borders, Alaska and Hawaii would become Iraqi territory on December 18th when my parents come home from their Alaskan cruise.

    In return for these compromises Iraq agrees;

    That any homicide bombings against occupying forces in Iraq will now be blamed on the fact that Hamid is powerless to stop them.

    Iraq is allowed to destroy any Non-Muslim Holy sites in their territory. There is a precedent for this just look at Palestinian destruction of the Tomb of Joseph or their work at the Temple Mount.

    The last element is perhaps the toughest part to negotiate, but I think it is the biggest win for our side, Iraq agrees to give up control of all taxi cabs and 7-11 stores east of Hackettstown, New Jersey.

    Hamid and I will officially sign the treaty next Sunday morning at a Dunkin Donuts shop in Secaucus. After that I assume that the troops in Iraq can all come home since there will be peace.

    Me and my new friend Hamid both agree that we are no heroes, we owe it all Colin Powell US Secretary of State and his new manifesto, he will support any treaty made by anyone, anywhere, whether or not the negotiators have legitimacy, even if it slows down the real peace process.

    For all of his efforts I think General Powell should win a Nobel Peace Prize. I will address the subject with my friend Larry. I understand that he has formed a new unofficial Nobel Prize committee along with some guys he met at the latest Star Trek Convention
  7. Annie

    Annie Piano User

    Nov 13, 2003


    Do you know where I could find the embedded names in the text? I have the King James Version and I read that it works in that version...
  8. Liad Bar-EL

    Liad Bar-EL Forte User

    Oct 25, 2003
    Jerusalem, Israel
    Re: Prophecies

    Hi Annie,

    What I wrote is not Kabalah nor Gematria. I am not sure that I understand your question.

    Maybe you want to know about the terms like Temple Mount, the site where once the Holy Temple was and presently has an Arab Mosque on it which is located in Jerusalem and the Tomb of Joseph which is in an Arab village up north named Shechem.

    Liad Bar-EL
  9. Still Trying

    Still Trying Pianissimo User

    Nov 23, 2003
    Lake Jackson, TX USA

    Two points:

    1) I live in Texas and Texas shares a major portion of the USA border with Mexico. I've been to the Texas/Mexico border many times. I've never seen that wall you described or anything that even remotely resembles it.

    There are some problems caused by the number and sometimes the types of Mexicans, who cross that border, when they are not suppossed to. But it is absolutely impossible to separate the Mexican and Non-Mexican cultures in Texas and all along the border States. After all, the Mexicans were here first. We were strangers in their land before they became strangers in ours. I have some very good friends who are Mexicans. I love their food. They have some of the most beautiful women in the world. Rafael Mendez has been one of my heros since my youth. We do not have the type of religious differences with Mexico that you have with the Palestinians. So our situation with Mexico is no where near the situation you have in Isreal.

    2) Millions of Americans are sympathetic to the existance and survival of the State of Isreal. I don't know anyone personally who is sympethetic to the Palestinians. If I ever run into such a person, I will suggest he check out a copy of "The Haj" by Leon Uris from the nearest library and then reexamine his position. It's just possible his position will have changed. You have a lot more support among ordinary Americans than you may know.

    As long as there is a Christian influence in the US with a dispensational slant on Biblical interpretation, you will have support in the States, (not that everyone who supports you is a dispensational Christian). But us Christians after all worship the Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ.

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