Tone is progressively getting worse

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  1. daniel117

    daniel117 Pianissimo User

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    With band camp here and me being forced to play notes above the staff for long periods of time my tone is starting to suffer. I know i use pressure when i play but it is only minimal and when i try to use any less air starts to come out of the corners of my mouth. So far my tone has gotten so bad that i get a double buzz going on inside my mouthpiece when i play notes above the staff.

    here is my real problem

    camp is from 8am-5pm and when i get home my lips feel extremely tired and i fear that if i play any more i will just hurt them so instead on working on my tone i just play a few long low tones for about 5 minutes to warm down then i let my lips rest to fight another day :,(
    I put a cold pack on my lips for about 5-10 mins then massage them a little so that the next day the swelling isn't so bad.


    got any advice that might help me?
    btw it seems like out of all the senior trumpets i'm the one that's being affected most by tired lips
     
  2. ultratrumpet

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  3. Local 357

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    Your post reads like a

    "What Not To Do" or

    "How To Over Train Your Chops To The Point Of of Exhaustion/Mental Depression"

    The double buzz is the smoking gun of his over training condition. You can't get a double buzz unless you've been pushed past the max.

    To the rest of the crowd, here's what you can bet he's doing:

    Playing an overly sharp edged, deep cupped mouthpiece.


    OK I could be wrong. Maybe he's playing a Schilke 13a4a but just to the point of exhaustion. But I would just about bet money that I'm correct.

    Watch for him to reply that he's blowing a Bach 7C or 3C. Watch for it!

    The beauty of a decent scream/lead piece is that it projects better and takes far less embouchure/air support to cut through the band.

    A trumpet player accustomed to a shallow mouthpiece ought to be able to blow solidly for a whole weeks worth of band camp while nearly completely out of shape. Without killing his chops either. Only for a major lead trumpet gig in a big band would he need to be in primo condition.

    All this work work WORK but no thinking. Sheesh it breaks my heart just thinking about it. Tearing the system down ain't no way to build up a set of chops.
     
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  4. gmonady

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    At this point, changing equippment is a little too late. You need to back off playing by 50%. After camp, massage your lips for about 5-10 minutes three times a day (and during band camp rests). After the massage, suck on or rub an ice cube along your lips until it becomes numb, then stop. The key is to back of your playing.

    Daniel, cut on the dotted line and give this to your band director:

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    Dear Band Director,

    Danial has experienced strained lips. He will need to back his performance level down by 50% of the normal routine. Thanks for considering this request.

    Gary M. Onady MD, PhD
    Music Medicine Specialist.
     
  5. daniel117

    daniel117 Pianissimo User

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    im playing on a 3b right now and i have been for about 3 years
    i could change to 5b but i would rather not
     
  6. DaTrump

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    I think you just proved Local's point. Btw...the 3B rim stinks, must guys I've seen use it, have a screw rim with a 3C rim. Bach's B cup is funnel and double cup, yes, your range will be okay on it but endurance on the other hand will suffer. Dale Proctor on here uses a Curry 3B which would be better but your best bet might be using a plain jane 3C for marching band. If you shows are demanding as the ones I've done, a 3B would be a serious issue.
     
  7. Local 357

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    Feel free to do as you will but the crowd here should take note that I hit the nail dead exact on the head. I'm so on the money at diagnosing your problem its almost like I've got a video camera hooked up in your practice room.

    So while I'm on the subject and PLEASE do not feel made fun of here is essentially what you are saying;

    You are willing to play a huge, sharp edged mouthpiece that gives little projection, hurts endurance and makes the upper register especially difficult to blow and then have the audacity to ask for help?

    You can't be helped on that mouthpiece! It was designed for a gifted trumpet player. Or perhaps someone who has spent three years gradually developing endurance and power. To the point where he can easily play six hours a day.

    Here's more folly: I don't even want to play the trumpet THAT much. Not six hours!

    So here's the lord's honest truth:

    You won't allow yourself to be helped. There is zero physical advantage to the overly large mouthpiece you are using. You are using up to 300% more energy on it than say a Schilke 13A4a. Or even the more moderate 13B

    And yet no one can tell you this. You won't accept this advice and must go on hurting for god only knows how long until you learn this fact and for no good purpose.

    Game, set match kid. Sorry.
     
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  8. daniel117

    daniel117 Pianissimo User

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    only mouth pieces i got other than a 3b is a 5b and a 1.5c

    and if i change mouth pieces im sure my embouchure will get messed up
     
  9. daniel117

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    never said i wasn't open to change or advice so please feel free to say what ever you
    will but take notice this is the only mouthpiece i have played on for the past 3 years and it has served me just fine
     
  10. DaTrump

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    The 1.5C is pretty close to just being a deeper 3C, ask your director and see if he has one? Or maybe another trumpet player has one? The rim change could mess it up. Do you have a teacher?
     

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