ok this might be old news to some of you but it might be useful to others. Well I was flipping through an old brass repair manual and when I say old I mean old. To give you idea of how old they still were useing terms like "German Silver" which has not been used in a long time. So Oldlou and I thought that the valve was sticking due tot he sendond valve slide being struck or compressed. It makes sense since this trumpet is second hand and was in a marching band accident hence the reason I got it almost free! So I had tried some other techniques that required one to work from inside the valve engine with a delicate touch not for the ham fisted amoung us. I had some improvment but I just could not get the leverage I needed. I was reading my old repair manual when what jump's out and smacks me in the face???? A tip for fixing exactly what I thought was wrong with this Getzen!!!! You take the third slide out and stickit in the place of the second slide. You then use it like you would use a sheater pipe with a ratchet or breaker bar to increase your leverage. So A few secsesively firmer push's and the valve is now fixed and nothing cracked or broke etc.... Notice I started off soft while also pushing the valve. Once I got tothe point that the valve felt like it was moveing free I pushed just a little harder and held it for about a minute. Now do be careful and if you are the ham fisted type or have a super expensive trumpet do yourself a favor and let a pro do it. If on the other hand you are handy and the trumpet is not too priceing in my case with shipping it was $30 have a go at yourself!!! Brass is a soft alloy that bends and tears rather easy so always start off gentle and slowly build up pressure. I wish photo's would do this trumpet justice the lead pipe is twisted 90Â° inward and the braces and their solder held!!! The bell is crumpled and at least 30% of the finish is missing but itis spread out all over it looks like it has freckles! Up to now the second valve was flacky. I only want the valve engine that is why I bought it. The valves still mic out close to new inspite of it being from 1965.