Triple Tongue

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  1. horner

    horner Pianissimo User

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    Hi all,

    As University is off for the summer and i am unemployed, i started practicing some of the more difficult solo's to give me something challenging to do. I have practiced the Introduction, Theme and Variation 1 of Carnival of Venice and it is starting to come together nicely, but i am struggling with the triple tonguing in Variation 2.

    I have no problem with triple tonguing on the same note, it is when the notes are all different or it changes note in the group of 3 where i fall down. Does anyone have any tips on how to improve this? Are there any good excercises to do?

    :play:
     
  2. Solar Bell

    Solar Bell Moderator Staff Member

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    Try to pull the horn away from your mouth when you fall down.

    Or find a good dentist.


    I'm sure you'll get a serious answer soon.
     
  3. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

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    1. Practice Scales in triple tongue.
    2. Don't tongue too hard, or make the notes too short - the tonguing is merely to separate the notes. The less effort you put in that tonguing the faster it is likely to get.
    3. Don't go fast too soon - make sure that you have got it absolutely right before going for a faster tempo - any problem in synchronization between tonguing, fingering and breathing will bother your performance.
    4. Don't forget the rest of your Arban - after all, the piece is written is a logic end of the book. You're not suppose to play it before mastering all the previous exercises.
     
  4. horner

    horner Pianissimo User

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    Thanks for the advice Nick :thumbsup:
     
  5. Sofus

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    One reason why I´ve had more trouble with multiple
    tonguing than before is that I´ve become aware of
    how lazy fingers I have. In earlier posts one can see
    the topic of Slamming and Banging the fingers/valves
    down (Alison Balsom is mentioned in one), and that IS
    one aspect of synchronizing fingers and tongue.

    When I want to wake my fingers up a bit, I do this
    double tongue exercise: I play the chromatic scale

    g-g-g-g-f#-f#-f#-f#-f-f-f-f-e-e-e-e-d#-d#-d#-d#-d-d-d-d-
    c#-c#-c#-c#-d-d-d-d-d#-d#-d#-d#-e-e-e-e-f-f-f-f-f#-f#-f#-f#

    over a couple of times with double tongue, starting on second line G.
    The speed is like 16:th notes.

    After that I switch to playing only two equal notes, like

    g-g-f#-f#-f-f-e-e-d#-d#-d-d-c#-c#-d-d-d#-d#-e-e-f-f-f#-f#

    with double tongue, over a couple of times. Already now do I get
    feedback that I must be equally quick when switching valves as
    before.

    Finally I play the same scale with only one note of each. Usually
    my fingers have realized how fast they have to be by then, and
    how firmly they must slam the valves down.

    If you find that this exercise helps you, an equal exercise for tripple
    tongue could easily be invented, maybe something like:

    1) g-g-g- f#-f#-f#- f-f-f- e-e-e- d#-d#-d#- d-d-d-
    c#-c#-c#- d-d-d- d#-d#-d#- e-e-e- f-f-f- f#-f#-f#

    2a) g-g-f#- f-f-e- d#-d#-d-
    c#-c#-d- d#-d#-e- f-f-f#

    2b) g-f#-f#- f-e-e- d#-d-d-
    c#-d-d- d#-e-e- f-f#-f#-

    3) Finally play the same scale with only one note of each.


    These are just suggestions, and I tend to make my own
    exercises sometimes. I haven´t tried the tripple tongue
    exercise myself, but this is what I´d try to begin with.
    If you don´t like them or they don´t do you any good,
    just skip them . . .
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2009
  6. Pedal C

    Pedal C Mezzo Forte User

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    Practice double and triple tongue passages at single tongue speeds, but with the multiple tongue syllables. I like to practice multiple tongue stuff at three speeds, slow, medium and fast. Slow where you can really go for consistancy, Medium where you sould pretty decent, and Fast, even it it's a little sloppy. I don't worry about specific metronome markings, I just keep pushing it up untill it gets to the speed required (and then a little more!)
     
  7. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

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    How much of the Arban's section on triple tonguing have you completed so far?
     
  8. Jarvs

    Jarvs New Friend

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    Maybe try accenting the first of each set of three notes and play the rest piano, along with really banging the valves down, that is what worked for me on that section. Also, I completely agree with working on the Arban's triple tonguing section, that really helped.
     
  9. mrtrpt

    mrtrpt New Friend

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    Play the difficult section all single tongued first. Get it to sound the way you want it to sound for the final product (obviously this will be slower, but get the sound and style you want at this tempo). Then keep the speed the same and triple tongue it. Get it to sound the same as when you single tongue it. If you successfully do this, speed will come naturally with time. The secret to triple tonguing is good single tonguing.....
     
  10. oldenick

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